drat01 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Open to debate Chris for 3 times (I am assuming you are not including last weeks match). Yeah its bad to lose, and yeah when it does happen its even worse when its to one of those teams that people expected to struggle. But Wigan and West Ham have done well this season, fair play to them, they have definelty punched above their weight and I would suspect that one if not both will struggle next year. Thats not a defense of a bad season before anyone makes the silly mistake of thinking that, its trying to put a bit of perspective on things when certain matches are quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Open to debate Chris for 3 times (I am assuming you are not including last weeks match). Yep, that's the one. I'm not saying Wigan and West Ham haven't done well and punched above their weight, and in the cold light of day I think you'd have to say that looking back on the season, losing to them both isn't the be all and end all. However, 4-0 with our 'strongest' side out, though not yet accustomed to one another. 2-1 in a match where we really didn't even show up for the second half. It was one of the most embarrassing narrow defeats I've ever been to. 2-0 at home to any mediocre side is a bit wet. I think all three of those games went beyond just 'losing'. Anyway, we're only having this discussion because they were mentioned by another poster. Far from our worst this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 If you're looking at raw stats then the worst ever points total will lead you to conclude it's the worst ever season. However, considering there isn't much in the points tally then, as ED said, the derby games are deciding factors because the two seasons have been very similar. We were humiliated under Taylor as well - Bolton (who were shit at the time), Sunderland (the worst ever Prem team up until this season), Blues x 2, Blackburn in the cup..... However, IMO, this season has been better because: We've seen flashes of decent football (Taylor never even tried to promote attacking football). We've seen the emergance of Cahill, Moore, Davis and Co. We've had the pleasure of seeing genuine quality in Milner and Baros. And, I'm sorry if it offends, but we beat our nearest rivals twice and will finish above them (compared to being absolutely humiliated twice and finishing below). Not the be all and end all but a deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 I keep seeing this worst start thing - how long is the start to a season? This season August and September's League results Aston Villa 2-2 Bolton 13-08-2005 Man Utd 1-0 Aston Villa 20-08-2005 Portsmouth 1-1 Aston Villa 23-08-2005 Aston Villa 1-0 Blackburn 27-08-2005 West Ham 4-0 Aston Villa 12-09-2005 Aston Villa 1-1 Tottenham 17-09-2005 Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa 24-09-2005 W 1 D 3 L3 (2 against previous season's 1-2) 2002/03 August and September's League Results Aston Villa 0-1 Liverpool 18-08-2002 Tottenham 1-0 Aston Villa 24-08-2002 Aston Villa 1-0 Man City 28-08-2002 Bolton 1-0 Aston Villa 01-09-2002 Aston Villa 2-0 Charlton 11-09-2002 Birmingham 3-0 Aston Villa 16-09-2002 Aston Villa 3-2 Everton 22-09-2002 Sunderland 1-0 Aston Villa 28-09-2002 W 3 D 0 L5 with a defeat against the previous season's runnersup, though losing against the side only bettered in being shite by their latest version too one game more and two points I think you can choose just about any number of games you like Al, and this season is worse! By the way from your table, we had three points more then, not two! (9 minus 6 = 3)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 24, 2006 Moderator Share Posted April 24, 2006 There's a couple of points to pick up on First - whoever said this season is worse in part due to the pre-season expectation of something decent, well I disagree. My pre-season expectation was pretty much for the sort of shite season we're having. Second, under GT we could at least win at home 11 times, I think, but we were abysmal away. This time we're only rubbish away, but at home are much worse. Surely it's more importsant to win your home games, at least from a commercial point of view. Yes - That's pretty much my point. Third - the playing squad. I don't think this season's is better at all. I'd say it's worse. Surely not. We played a lot of that season with Dion in defence, and the decidedly unsprightly Allback up front. Chuck the likes of Crouch, Encks, UDLC, Kinsella and Leonhardsen into the mix and I strguggle to see what was better at all about it. There's a lot of players still the same - Delaney, Barry, JLloyd, Olly, JPA, Hendrie, Ulises There's some like for like(ish) - youngsters such as Stefan Moore, Hitz /Luke and Steven Davis (though the latter 2 are better prospects), Schmeichel or Enks / Tommy or Taylor There's Ronnie Johnson/Laursen, Dion/Ridge, Allback/Phillips, Vassel/Baros, Crouch, Leonhardsen, Kinsella, Ian Taylor or Gav Alan Wright/ Bouma I haven't gone through everyone, but I'd say there are slightly more players of a higher standard in the current squad, but overall it's smaller and therefore weaker - more susceptible to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 No-one is saying beating Blues is the be all and end all. Its just that theres a shit season where you lose to Blues twice and finish below them, and a shit season where you beat them twice and finish above them. Exactly. The above quote sums it up perfectly for me. Plus, i was the one who stated the dol is better than taylor. fair point on finishing runners up 17years ago but i always thought taylor shouldnt've ever came back - never ever going to be more successful. However, my point was based on the fact that we had far less injuries in dol's 1st season and a squad with very similar players to what we've gopt now - and we finished 6th. Villa fans always want someone else in. Dol hasnt been given a great backing by the boared so i cannot really fault him as much as i can doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Schmeichel left before the end of 01/02 season. We had Enks or Postma 02/03 - Sorensen/Taylor is better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I think you can choose just about any number of games you like Al, and this season is worse! 2 games... Birmingham - 02/03 season lost away 3-0. lost home 2-0. Humiliated Birmingham - 05/06 season WON away 0-1. WON home 3-1. Great wins. BOTH seasons were / have been shite, EXCEPT for the fact that we beat our nearest and dearest TWICE! in both seasons will show a very low league standing, both season will show no cup success or european qualification. Beating blues has made this season better than the last because we havnt been humiliated by them. Instead weve done them over. That is it. I know its sad but its the only pride we can take at this moment in time due to our current state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCresswell Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 It's also, of course kept us up this time around. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__pedro__ Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 aaaaaaah, prespective restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAndLoyal Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 aaaaaaah, prespective restored. How is it? Because you've dragged up a post from years ago? You can't even spell it right. We're a completely different team now, with different expectations. Stop trying to point score :| . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 So our current run is worse than the awful one I highlighted three years under O'Dearyme. How then is that supposed to restore perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulanddonya Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 What a ridicululous post. So we have no perspective. Well 3 yrs ago , Liverpool were absolutely crap and finished 5th - so I bet if Man U and Chelsea overtake them and they finish 3rd then they should all be grateful that that they have improved !! Expectations change, so do goals. My goal when MON took over was for us to be in the Premier League come May 2007 - so presumably, I should be chuffed now if we finish 14th !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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