Richard Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 wtf is this obsession with beating a small team down the road? it doesnt make a good season, its no guide at all. I'd rather finish 8th anf lose both games to sha. yes its nice to beat them but thats all, nice It's simple really. Thats how low our expectations have ben FORCED down by Board and Manager. Esp when he comes out with BS like "I have put this club back to top dogs of the midlands where the fans asked me to put it" Tosser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villab0y Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 No worse, no better, just very very poor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 wtf is this obsession with beating a small team down the road? it doesnt make a good season, its no guide at all. I'd rather finish 8th anf lose both games to sha. yes its nice to beat them but thats all, nice You're right - it doesn't make for a good season. It just contributes to this season being better than 02/03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 24, 2006 Moderator Share Posted April 24, 2006 wtf is this obsession with beating a small team down the road? it doesnt make a good season, its no guide at all. I'd rather finish 8th anf lose both games to sha. yes its nice to beat them but thats all, nice You're right - it doesn't make for a good season. It just contributes to this season being better than 02/03. But why? statistically it isnt? so how can it be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted April 24, 2006 Moderator Share Posted April 24, 2006 Agree entirely with that. The pre-season expectations being so much higher makes it seem so bad. The fact that it IS actually a worse season statistically doesn't help matters either! that's the thing with stats you can switch em around all over the place to make things worse better. I know we've been poor at home yet lost the same number of games but better away winning not drawing games. With 3 games left we are 3 goals worse in the FOR column yet already worse in the against column. Then there's the opposition thing that year the top 3 had 83 - 79 and 69 pts at the end of the season and they've already got 88 - 79 and 73 this with games left. Comparing seasons using the stats alone is tricky. For me the overall football from this whole season is better than that I saw in 2002/03. The number of poor performances is too many, then again so is 1. But overall that season we were worse than this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 wtf is this obsession with beating a small team down the road? it doesnt make a good season, its no guide at all. I'd rather finish 8th anf lose both games to sha. yes its nice to beat them but thats all, nice You're right - it doesn't make for a good season. It just contributes to this season being better than 02/03. But why? statistically it isnt? so how can it be better? I was looking at it from all angles - not just statistically. Statistically Phillips has been better than Angel this season. Was that argument accepted? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Agree entirely with that. The pre-season expectations being so much higher makes it seem so bad. The fact that it IS actually a worse season statistically doesn't help matters either! that's the thing with stats you can switch em around all over the place to make things worse better. I know we've been poor at home yet lost the same number of games but better away winning not drawing games. With 3 games left we are 3 goals worse in the FOR column yet already worse in the against column. Then there's the opposition thing that year the top 3 had 83 - 79 and 69 pts at the end of the season and they've already got 88 - 79 and 73 this with games left. Comparing seasons using the stats alone is tricky. For me the overall football from this whole season is better than that I saw in 2002/03. The number of poor performances is too many, then again so is 1. But overall that season we were worse than this I have to say LV has summed it all up very nicely for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Worst ever start to a season, least home wins, least points total for a season. It's hard to twist, cold hard facts like that. This season we've been humilated again and again, so on just about every level, this is far worse. I can't be bothered to look at the results from back then, but I don't remember seeing as many truly appalling performances as we've had this season. And again, if anyone thinks that beating Blues is the be all and end all, you've got the chairman and manager you deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villab0y Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 And again, if anyone thinks that beating Blues is the be all and end all, you've got the chairman and manager you deserve. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 And again, if anyone thinks that beating Blues is the be all and end all, you've got the chairman and manager you deserve. Good job no-one has suggested that then. Contributing factor to this season being better? Yes. Be all and end all? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted April 24, 2006 Moderator Share Posted April 24, 2006 And again, if anyone thinks that beating Blues is the be all and end all, you've got the chairman and manager you deserve. Don't think you'll find anyone who does Mart. And if they do then there's a good chance they are in school at this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Or another club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonrx Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Doesn't matter what shade of brown it is. Its still shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 In my memory, 02/03 seems a lot worse. I think we hit lower lows in that season. But then, Doncaster (away) thrashed vs one of the best games I've seen Villa play at home to Liverpool. We lost but not as prostrate as in that game. But the facts make this worse. More money spent preseason, better players in the squad (Kinsella, Leonhardsen, Allback, Crouch, an ageing Wright, Joey Gudjonsson, Dublin just past his best. Sorry. Its true. We have better players now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 At least Graham Taylor did the honourable thing and resigned at the end of the debacle. No chance of that leech O'Leary doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Wasn't that because he felt he didn't have the back-up from the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 If O'Leary is still as tactically and organisationally poor under a new board, will tunes change? I wouldn't mind giving him the chance, a period when he can't hide behind Ellis, just so that I can be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 If O'Leary is still as tactically and organisationally poor under a new board, will tunes change? I wouldn't mind giving him the chance, a period when he can't hide behind Ellis, just so that I can be sure. I'd rather not get the chance to say "told you so". Where did he finish his last season at Leeds afer spending £100 million+ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Sacked and then they got relegated. But it was arguably because of him they got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 O'Leary left Leeds in June 2002, Leeds had just finished 5th and were still in Europe in Feb (round before quarters?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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