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ISIS and Hamas also dont get on right?

That's what I though. So while Iran and Hamas hate Israel while ISIS hates everyone that isn't a Sunni Muslim. What is the likelihood of Shia and Jewish force combining to fight ISIS?

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Israel wont do **** all to ISIS

Why not ?
They just wont, quote me if they ever do..

 

They would, but only if IS look like they are doing too well.  Several months ago IDF units in the Golan Heights "allegedly" gave fire support to JaN forces (official Al Qaeda in Syria) that were taking a pasting from Assad's Syrian regulars. It's also rumoured that several dozen JaN fighters have received medical aid in Israel.  Given that pedigree if they judge that IS is becoming a direct threat then the IDF/Mossad will not shrink from hitting them.   

 

All of that misses the point that Israel is the 'far enemy' in terms of timelines and far down their to-do list - other than for rhetorical purposes and the odd propaganda stunt. The real interest/ambition of IS is in toppling the regimes of existing Muslim countries (the jewels in that crown being Saudi and Egypt) and asserting the primacy/exclusivity of their religious doctrine - using the traditional/historical Islamic ultimatum of "submit, convert or die".  

 

Although IS are still taking and losing ground in different areas, strategically they are continuing to do well and the Islamic State will not be disappearing any time soon. On the plus side the resulting availability of family accommodation in the north of England and Luton is up due to our own Jihadi migrants heading east, so that can be used to house the Syrian survivors they are displacing.  Reckon there is a TV show in this somewhere.... maybe 'House Swap Hell'- how a family from Raqqa moved to Dewsbury and became radicalised by the Police, MI5 and British intolerance.                 

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Israel wont do **** all to ISIS

Why not ?
They just wont, quote me if they ever do.

Or you could explain why you think that....

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Israel and Russia... The best thing for Britain to do at this point is step back and let them sort their own shit out. We are an unnecessary cog in this.

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IS claims to the north Caucasus' are what our politicians would euphemistically call an "aspiration". They have loads of very capable and mental Chechen fighters (mostly gwars, oddly) in Syria and Iraq but they won't be threatening Mother Russia any time soon.

 

Russia's stake in this is the survival of Assad and/or his regime so they will keep shipping arms and providing political top cover... but in terms of actual fighting they are not and will not be getting involved against IS.    

 

Edited to add:  If it hadn't been for Russian backing of Assad a few years ago then the various flavours of mental Jihadis would now be fighting each other, playing "who can fill a mass grave fastest" (with anyone who isn't a Sunni Muslim) and the Caliphate would be on the eastern Mediterranean shore. Thank goodness for Russia!     

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Awol what needs to happen for boots on the ground? And in terms of Israel, would they be allowed to get involved with the other Middle Eastern countries pretty much hating everything that they do?

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Awol what needs to happen for boots on the ground? And in terms of Israel, would they be allowed to get involved with the other Middle Eastern countries pretty much hating everything that they do?

 

Depends whose boots you mean - and I'm not trying to be clever.  Most likely contenders at the moment are the Turks who have said they will not allow an alternative state to be formed in northern Syria.  Although you might think they mean IS, they are actually talking about the Kurds - so seemingly an Islamic State in northern Syria is fine for Turkey, but not a secular Kurdish state...  

 

As for Israel, their strongest regional ally is Saudi Arabia (I know, funny) on the basis that they both hate Iran and back each other up diplomatically behind closed doors - the rhetoric is for public consumption only.  When Israel was talking about bombing Iranian nuclear sites there was an agreement that IDF jets could overfly Saudi through safe air corridors to do the business.  That wasn't American pressure, Saudi was eager for it to happen as the wikileaks cables demonstrated.  

 

In the context of Syria, Israel will do it what it wants, when it wants and no one is going to say 'boo' to them, least of all the Arabs.

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I'd forgotten that ISIS was all part of an Israeli conspiracy to promote Judaism over the evil Muslims.

;)

On a more serious not, I was listening to a podcast recently that mentioned that apparently there is an increased belief in conspiracy their amongst many Muslims, and is apparently getting worse, which I though was interesting. The bloke who mentioned it was Muslim as well which is probably worth noting.

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@Chindie

9/11, the financial crisis, MERS, you name it, round these parts all the ills of the world are eventually laid at the Joos door. To hear that Muslims slaughtering other Muslims (and bystanders) over the niceties of their faith is actually a Mossad run conspiracy... I'd have put money it!

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A man was seen today walking around houses of parliament with an IS flag and the police refused to arrest him.

This liberal, softly softly touch is killing this country for sure. No doubt the usual cuckoos will cry 'but what about freedom of speech zzzzzzzzz' Sod that. If it's hypocritical then so what. Common sense needs to prevail and we can't allow stuff like this to continue.

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A man was seen today walking around houses of parliament with an IS flag and the police refused to arrest him.

This liberal, lefty touch is killing this country for sure. No doubt the usual cuckoos will cry 'but what about freedom of speech zzzzzzzzz' Sod that. If it's hypocritical then so what. Common sense needs to prevail and we can't allow stuff like this to continue.

 

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A man was seen today walking around houses of parliament with an IS flag and the police refused to arrest him.

This liberal, lefty touch is killing this country for sure. No doubt the usual cuckoos will cry 'but what about freedom of speech zzzzzzzzz' Sod that. If it's hypocritical then so what. Common sense needs to prevail and we can't allow stuff like this to continue.

Do you have a list of which flags are unacceptable (to you)?

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In fairness I have heard flags can be quite dangerous. People wave them and get all uppity.

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A man was seen today walking around houses of parliament with an IS flag and the police refused to arrest him.

This liberal, softly softly touch is killing this country for sure. No doubt the usual cuckoos will cry 'but what about freedom of speech zzzzzzzzz' Sod that. If it's hypocritical then so what. Common sense needs to prevail and we can't allow stuff like this to continue.

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what did it say on this flag?

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LOLZ!! No point even posting on this forum no more. Seriously you guys live on a another planet if you think after what happened last week especially it's acceptable to walk around with an ISIS flag in daylight without arrest. No wonder no one posts on here no more...(I'm done).

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LOLZ!! No point even posting on this forum no more. Seriously you guys live on a another planet if you think after what happened last week especially it's acceptable to walk around with an ISIS flag in daylight without arrest. No wonder no one posts on here no more...(I'm done).

 

but what did it say on the flag?

 

it's a simple question

 

do you know what it said on the flag?

 

you must know to have got so steamed up, so I was hoping you would share the knowledge

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