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Arms manufacturers benefit more abruptly from wars, because wars for all their horror tend to be slow and predictable ACD large scale. Fighting ISIS, in the little that the West is, isn't going to be swelling the coffers of many, and isn't going to massively benefit anyone from a pure greed or power perspective.

 

War generates debt. It's expensive to take part in and it's expensive to rebuild your country afterwards. Debt benefits those that own that debt. Invade a country, **** it up entirely, put it hundreds of billions of dollars into debt, own the debt, own the country.

 

War massively benefits banks from a pure greed and power perspective and when banks and governments get as closely linked as they are, especially in the US, war becomes a great business to be in.

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But fighting ISIS doesn't do that. The token effort made in Syria and Iraq isn't putting enormous cash in anyone's pockets.

I don't deny that war can make good money for the right people, although I'd stop short of the more conspiracy leaning angle you have there. Its just that what we're doing to ISIS is so small scale for military action the benefit to the right parties is so small it's likely outweighed by the downsides of ISIS existing at all.

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IS has claimed a suicide bombing yesterday at a Shia mosque in Qatif, Eastern Saudi Arabia. 20 odd dead.

This following a sermon at Friday prayers in Riyadh by one of Saudi's most senior Imams, calling for the death of ALL Shia.

Some might think there is virtually no difference between the Saudi establishment and IS/AQ/Islamist terrorists everywhere. They'd be right, too.

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IS has claimed a suicide bombing yesterday at a Shia mosque in Qatif, Eastern Saudi Arabia. 20 odd dead.

This following a sermon at Friday prayers in Riyadh by one of Saudi's most senior Imams, calling for the death of ALL Shia.

Some might think there is virtually no difference between the Saudi establishment and IS/AQ/Islamist terrorists everywhere. They'd be right, too.

What now for SA AWOL? How will they deal with this in your opinion?

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IS has claimed a suicide bombing yesterday at a Shia mosque in Qatif, Eastern Saudi Arabia. 20 odd dead.

This following a sermon at Friday prayers in Riyadh by one of Saudi's most senior Imams, calling for the death of ALL Shia.

Some might think there is virtually no difference between the Saudi establishment and IS/AQ/Islamist terrorists everywhere. They'd be right, too.

There is no difference. IS was created by Saudi, U.S and Israel, a true zionist creation.

RT had an article a month or so ago with an interview of a Iraqi soldier claiming he and others saw a weapons drop on IS strongholds by unmarked military aircraft, now who would be arming IS?

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IS has claimed a suicide bombing yesterday at a Shia mosque in Qatif, Eastern Saudi Arabia. 20 odd dead.

This following a sermon at Friday prayers in Riyadh by one of Saudi's most senior Imams, calling for the death of ALL Shia.

Some might think there is virtually no difference between the Saudi establishment and IS/AQ/Islamist terrorists everywhere. They'd be right, too.

What now for SA AWOL? How will they deal with this in your opinion?

 

From what I'd read on this (admittedly not much) there's a lot more Sunni/Shia than IS/Saudi in these attacks. With Saudi funded IS Sunni's bombing a Saudi Shia mosque. It will be interesting to see how the power struggle between the majority Sunni Saudi population and its Shia minority plays out - and whilst the Saudi's might make a token gesture of resistance against IS, I certainly wouldn't want to be a Shia muslim in Saudi Arabia right now.

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same with boko haram, from what ive read its a US funded terrorist group. it seems the US wants a load of jihadi nutters all over the world creating havoc. funny how the US kick all these mainly harmless dictators out and then we get states run by jihadists. libya is now a key area for isis and its sort, the list goes on.

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Dictators are good, they can do what they like as long as they allow us continued control of resources and finance. Nutters are not so good, but as long as control of natural resources are ringfenced and they leave an economy in ruins and desperate for loans then they're perfectly acceptable. What can't be accepted under any circumstances is a functioning democracy of self determination which wants control of its own resources and the ability to make its own economic and tactical decisions - those have to be shut down immediately.

 

See Iraq.

 

See also Chile, Venezuela, Brazil, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Angola, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and Cambodia.

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Dictators are good, they can do what they like as long as they allow us continued control of resources and finance. Nutters are not so good, but as long as control of natural resources are ringfenced and they leave an economy in ruins and desperate for loans then they're perfectly acceptable. What can't be accepted under any circumstances is a functioning democracy of self determination which wants control of its own resources and the ability to make its own economic and tactical decisions - those have to be shut down immediately.

 

See Iraq.

 

See also Chile, Venezuela, Brazil, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Angola, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and Cambodia.

That's somewhat innaccurate, OBE. I mean Costa Rica? the place with no army and the excellent environmental outlook?

Iran - that's another one. Right or wrong, the West, and the US in particular would love it of their current leadership was more democratic and open - basically the if not opposite of your point, not somewhere you can really cite as supporting it. Sure the US doesn't want them to have nukes, but they're hardly a US friendly dictatorship.

Vietnam too, as a communist state, I suppose you could call it a dictatorship, but it's bot really in anyone's bad books, is it?

 

I think it's more a case that different countries have evolved (or not evolved) various ways of rulership - whether it be left wing/communist type or more right wing types, royal family rulership or democracy. Of the various countries, some are run very badly and for the benefit of a few, others are run badly, for the benefit of many and most are run OK-ish.

 

All the kerfuffle comes about wherever in the world when the people want to overthrow the leaderships. Whether that's soveriegns, democratic gov'ts or dictators.

 

For the west and the US in particular, their attitude seems to be if a nation is "of benefit" to US interests then stuff gets overlooked, and if it's a threat, then they try and change it, for their own ends, but try to make it out as some kind of exercise in "freedom".

 

There are many many countries which are  "a functioning democracy of self determination and want control of its own resources and the ability to make its own economic and tactical decisions" with which the US and others are friendly.

 

I think your point is a bit simplistic, if truth be told. (Yeah I know, it's hard with a couple of sentences on the interent).

 

But for all the imperialism of the US and the West, there's also a genuine desire to see people not be oppressed tortured, murdered and so in. (and yes I know "we" haven't always been whiter than white in those things, too). But still...

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I think it's easy to confuse 'goodness' with permission. most of the countries on that list have been run by dictators placed and supported by the US government since WWII - Saddam Hussein, the Shah, the Argentinian junta, all fit into that category. The current move towards an independent socialist democracy in Venezuela is probably the best current example - Obama and the US government have declared it a rogue state and a threat to the West, not because of terrorism, but because it has a massive amount of oil that it's trying to put back into the hands of the country and its people - there's already been a US sponsored coup that failed, there are now sanctions and there will be more I'm sure. You don't have to dig back to the 80's for this sort of thing in South and Central America.

 

If IS is currently smashing up parts of the middle east, it's because whatever it is doing doesn't affect the banks or natural resource companies sufficiently to make it a threat to the US. if it did, they'd stop it overnight. It may even be beneficial, and if it is they'll support it.

 

This isn't a morality thing, we've supported 'good' governments, like the one in Costa Rica (which was allowed to develop because it was largely run by the United Fruit Company, sponsored by the CIA and turned a blind eye to the running of Cocaine and Arms through its major airports) and bad governments - like Saddam Hussein's Iraq who received the second largest amount of US foreign aid (after Israel obviously) even after Saddam had gassed the Kurdish people. It's profit that counts - if thousands of people die, no one gives a shit. 

 

IS are doing a fine job of preventing the region changing significantly and as such, they aren't a threat to the dominance of the oil market by the current players, which allows control of supply, shutting out China and the Russians and a certain degree of economic stability. If they really wanted to ruin the West, they'd starting pumping oil and selling it East. You can bet they'd be dead by morning if they did.

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torygraph

 

 


 

Its defeat in Kobane - a town of which few non-Kurds had heard - was cheered by the world; its victory in Ramadi last Sunday gives it control of virtually all of Iraq’s largest province, one which reaches to the edge of Baghdad.

 

Calling itself a state, one analyst wrote, no longer looks like an exaggeration.

 

Senior US officials seem to agree. “Isil as an organization is better in every respect than its predecessor of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. It’s better manned, it’s better resourced, they have better fighters, they’re more experienced,” one said at a briefing to explain the loss of Ramadi. “We’ve never seen something like this.”

 

How did Isil manage to inflict such a humiliation on the world’s most powerful country? As with many great shock-and-awe military advances over the years, it is easier to explain in hindsight than it apparently was to prevent.

 

Ever since Isil emerged in its current form in 2013, military and and political analysts have been saying that its success is due to its grasp of both tactics and strategy.

Its strategy is essentially Maoist - the comparison has not been enough made, but now that Isil has declared itself an agent of Cultural Revolution, with its destruction of history, perhaps it will be more. Like Mao’s revolutionaries, it conquers the countryside before storming the towns.

 

Even now, the fact that much of its territory is rural or even desert is seen as a weakness. But it is beginning to “pick off” major towns and cities with impunity. In fact, where society is fractured, like Syria and Iraq, the “sea of revolution” panics the citizenry, making it feel “surrounded” by unseen and incomprehensible agents of doom.

 

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AWOL thanks for posting that in response to my question, enjoyed reading it. I've said before I really like reading what you post! Gives me a really great insight to what is happening in the Middle East at the moment as my knowledge is somewhat poor. Keep posting things!

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meanwhile

 

in a galaxy far far away

 

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a 10,000 bedroom mega mecca hotel edges towards it's 2017 opening...

 

Guardian reference

 

 

 

five floors for the sole use of the Saudi royal family

 

Just remember kids, save the planet, turn your kitchen light off when you're not out there!

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I still can't get over the fact that they built a big **** clock.

 

Mecca Time!

doo doo doo do

can't touch this

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obama is calling climate change a threat to the world as isis goes on the slaughter and kills 400 women and children. the guy is a pro islamist.

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obama is calling climate change a threat to the world as isis goes on the slaughter and kills 400 women and children. the guy is a pro islamist.

Israel mass murderd over 2000 people many of them children, obama sat back and watched as did our own goverment
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