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I thought it was a good story so i decided to post it here..Yikes!

The first line of the 'story' is Ever wonder why terrorists aren't kidnapping Russians? - that'll be apart from the Russians who have been kidnapped and all of the Russians involved in hostage situations in the last however many years, yes?

 

Yes iam aware of all the horrific hostage situations that has happened in russia, the theater siege in moscow and Beslan, ive seen documenteries about them both and read evry book i could find about the Beslan siege.

I even used to have chechen friend who hates russia with passion, and ive spoken alot with him about the war they had with russia.

 

But the reason i posted the photo is because of the way the russians handled the situation, ive never heard of anything like that before, i thought it was good story so i decided to post it on here.

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Italians need to be ready. Warning ahead is unusual though so might be BS.

"ISIS supporters post photos on Twitter of notes showing group's logo and messages near famous Italian landmarks warning of counting down 'till the zero hour' "
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Just read that Ramadi (a city very close to Baghdad) has fallen to isis.

And i thought that the iraqi army had isis on the run..

No not at all. IS has a big offensive coming up around the middle Euphrates and by taking Ramadi has finally secured Anbar Province - about 1/3 of Iraq. Regular Iraqi army again deserted in droves from Ramadi and the only ground forces capable of taking them on are the Pesh up north and the Iranian backed Shia militia in the central regions.

Although IS "lost" Tikrit the reality is they pulled back their main forces ahead of the Shia militia led attack and left behind a few hundred well dug in suicide troops. It still took massive US air support to finally enable the attacking forces to overcome them.

As for Noelvilla's post below yours, it's been well flagged that IS in Libya has used the flow of illegal migrants into Europe to both raise funds (taking 50% of earnings from the people traffickers) and infiltrate their own fighters into Europe to prepare atrocities. For example their intent to attack the Vatican has been trailed in videos and statements for a long time, although whether they go for a softer target remains to be seen.

In another thread outbyeaster was talking about the terrorist threat currently being overstated to allow greater surveillance by GCHQ et al. In fact as far as media reporting goes it is probably being understated. The whole IS/Caliphate malarkey has got an increasing level of support within Europe and in the next few years that's going to manifest itself in some very ugly scenes.

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would not surprise me if the US have been letting this snowball for some mad power trip to come in the next few years. everything has fitted together nicely over the last few years. IS  will keep expanding if things continue.

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Just read that Ramadi (a city very close to Baghdad) has fallen to isis.

And i thought that the iraqi army had isis on the run..

No not at all. IS has a big offensive coming up around the middle Euphrates and by taking Ramadi has finally secured Anbar Province - about 1/3 of Iraq. Regular Iraqi army again deserted in droves from Ramadi and the only ground forces capable of taking them on are the Pesh up north and the Iranian backed Shia militia in the central regions.

Although IS "lost" Tikrit the reality is they pulled back their main forces ahead of the Shia militia led attack and left behind a few hundred well dug in suicide troops. It still took massive US air support to finally enable the attacking forces to overcome them.

As for Noelvilla's post below yours, it's been well flagged that IS in Libya has used the flow of illegal migrants into Europe to both raise funds (taking 50% of earnings from the people traffickers) and infiltrate their own fighters into Europe to prepare atrocities. For example their intent to attack the Vatican has been trailed in videos and statements for a long time, although whether they go for a softer target remains to be seen.

In another thread outbyeaster was talking about the terrorist threat currently being overstated to allow greater surveillance by GCHQ et al. In fact as far as media reporting goes it is probably being understated. The whole IS/Caliphate malarkey has got an increasing level of support within Europe and in the next few years that's going to manifest itself in some very ugly scenes.

 

Sorry, i got my information from the swedish media, should have known better then to trust them, the journalists over here are the most cluless you ever find.

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As long as Middle East instability prevails, shareholders of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin etc., will make a tidy little sum of money. We are well beyond fighting for a cause, we are fighting to keep a sector of the economy humming. It's the most cynical military pursuit in history. 

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Last word on the Saudi thing...

A distinguished chap I know who moves in the diplomatic circles of the Gulf had this to say:

The Saudi rulers love the West but their people generally hate you. The rulers of Iran hate the West but their people generally love you. The rulers of both countries will be gone in a decade.

That's worth thinking about.

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Sorry, i got my information from the swedish media, should have known better then to trust them, the journalists over here are the most cluless you ever find.

No need to say sorry, my post was meant to be informative only, I'm sorry if it came across as a put down.

Some interesting (to me anyway) things said in the posts above though:

Rugeley talks about a clash of cultures but the real clash is ideological, or more specifically within an ideology - Islam. At its root this whole thing is a battle for the soul and future direction of a religion.

Whatever influence the West generically may have had in the past we are now peripheral to the conflict and involved only in so far as we host significant Muslim populations and represent a target that, if hit, gives propaganda value to the protagonists by strengthening their particular narrative.

We can never "win" because it isn't our fight, winning for us is the absence of terrorism on our streets, nothing else. It will go on for as long as it takes the Muslim world to make peace with itself. I fear very many more will die before that happens.

However there are things we can do to avoid making the situation worse and Islingtonclaret nails it in one, namely our current support for the heart of darkness a.k.a. Saudi Arabia, in their illegal assault on the people of Yemen.

It is astonishing that with no UN mandate the Saudis are deliberately bombing hospitals, food distribution centres, Oxfam warehousing and any useful infrastructure while simultaneously doing all they can to block the delivery of aid to a population they are systematically starving as a matter of policy.

Like a bunch of trained seals the UK media repeats the line that the Saudis are opposing an Iranian take over of Yemen, which any analyst worth their salt can and do say is total dog toffee. I can't remember a more disgraceful episode in foreign policy, at least with Iraq HMG had the good grace to fabricate some evidence but with Yemen they are not even trying. Why? A few hundred million in contracts for nice new fighter jets from those thieving desert pirates in Riyadh.

While we're on the subject let's not forget that Saudi created modern Jihadism and supply's a steady steam of cannon fodder to IS and AQ alike.

I know I'm ranting now so will stop BUT, what is being done in our name is flat out criminal and I'm certain most people in the UK have not the slightest clue or care.

 

what do you think is the real islam?  are the jihadists following the word of allah and the quran correctly or do you think they are twisting it to create terror etc. ive heard many people say IS and its sort are following the true ways of islam from centuries ago. if that is the case then your modern or peaceful muslim are following their religion wrong right?

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As long as Middle East instability prevails, shareholders of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin etc., will make a tidy little sum of money. We are well beyond fighting for a cause, we are fighting to keep a sector of the economy humming. It's the most cynical military pursuit in history.

I'm not sure about that.

While I can see that Gov'ts are not condemning the Suadi's as they should be, because the Saudi's buy lots of expensive toys and own lots of expensive proerties in London and NY and so on and pay taxes and all of that, I don't think "we are fighting to keep [Defence contractors] humming...the most cynical military pursuit in history.".

In fact, many would and have argued that we should be fighting but aren't.

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..ive heard many people say IS and its sort are following the true ways of islam from centuries ago. if that is the case then your modern or peaceful muslim are following their religion wrong right?

Those things don't follow logically, though, do they?

I mean think about it - what was (say) Christian religions doing centuries ago? Similarly barbaric things. The Crusades, slavery, the whole lot.

I dunno the full complete content of all of the Bible, but isn't it the case that the Old testament goes into all kinds of stuff about punishing and killing innocents (and the New testament does a bit as well)

So basically because some book says something, most people have the decency and sense to know it's a load of stories and not to be taken literally, or followed to the word (not least because it's so contradictory). That's the bible. Bonkers contradictory stories, is what it is.

If you get some sect that decides they fancy a bit of murdering looting killing action, which co-incidentally gets them wealth and power and fear, then you can't go blaming the peaceful normal folk, or a whole religion.

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