rodders0223 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 He was terrible. Hopefully we have funds for a top CB next summer, and this guy, for all his hard work and bravery, is gone. About time we got ruthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I'm not sure about this one - it'll give him some game time and it should be an easy loan for him but he's better than that level IMO. I think he is every bit a Championship CB personally. Wish him well and hope it enables us to command a decent fee for him from them or another club in the summer. I thought he'd do really well in the championship to be honest. He looked like a good premier league defender last season, but injuries really stopped any consistency with him. It's hard to find good form when you can only play a handful of matches then sit out for a couple of months. Bristol got a really good player if he can stay fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't see what he's going to learn from the move tbh. He may learn with more game time not to be so rash but I doubt it. I agree with you really, i see it as putting him the shop window more than being about development personally. You're probably right, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If the ambition is simply to get rid of him, why did we offer him a new contract at the time Burnley had had a bid for him accepted? This is what I don't understand - I don't expect everyone to agree with me that he's got a lot of potential, but if the aim was simply to get rid, we've already thrown away a golden opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't see what he's going to learn from the move tbh. He may learn with more game time not to be so rash but I doubt it. I agree with you really, i see it as putting him the shop window more than being about development personally. You're probably right, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If the ambition is simply to get rid of him, why did we offer him a new contract at the time Burnley had had a bid for him accepted? This is what I don't understand - I don't expect everyone to agree with me that he's got a lot of potential, but if the aim was simply to get rid, we've already thrown away a golden opportunity. I think perhaps Sherwood wasn't sure and didn't want to sell him just yet before he's had a chance to get a few more games under his belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I think this is a cracking move for him. Not far from his hometown, probably doesnt have to move and Bristol City, while not necessarily a huge name, are going places. They have a massively rich chairman investing heavily in the stadium etc. Callum Robinson is already there, unfortunately for him I can see him taking Derrick Williams place if everyone's fit. They also quite like their wing backs so could spend alot of time in a back 3/5 and they need a good old fashioned stopper. Really good fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Hopefully Baker does well, on his day he's a good strong cb. People criticise Clark and Baker, and now Okore to some extent but they are all 25 or under I think? And cbs usually peak a bit later than other players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted September 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2015 Yeah I am still expecting Clark and Baker long term to be good prem quality CBs, Clark has better touch and passing but Baker can be a good defender IMO. All the chuckle brothers rubbish got right on my hoo-ha. Clark has gone from hate figure (with some) to hero (with some) and back to being dissed quite frequently in less than 12 months. Baker never had the run in the first team that Clark had because of injury and them both being left sided I reckon, so playing regular in Brizzle will be great for him. If what VILLAMARV says about playing in a 3 is right, then that would be very good for him and us indeed. It's something I can see Sherwood doing with the players we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't see what he's going to learn from the move tbh. He may learn with more game time not to be so rash but I doubt it. I agree with you really, i see it as putting him the shop window more than being about development personally. You're probably right, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If the ambition is simply to get rid of him, why did we offer him a new contract at the time Burnley had had a bid for him accepted? This is what I don't understand - I don't expect everyone to agree with me that he's got a lot of potential, but if the aim was simply to get rid, we've already thrown away a golden opportunity. I'm not certain if they did have a bid accepted but in any case there are a few reasons why it perhaps didn't happen, such as Baker saying no. Or perhaps Sherwood is undecided on him but would rather not flog him but did the decent thing and accepted the bid because he knew he was bringing in a number of CB's but Baker wanted to fight for his future here. Once that move didn't happen, if indeed it was an option then the club has a decision to make. Do they give him a new deal, send him out on loan and see what happens or do they allow his contract to run down and ultimately run the risk of it expiring? As a football club let alone a business we can't keep getting nominal fee's for players or allowing them to leave on free's as we've done so many times in the last few years. We've done this through a combination of poor contract management, poor signings and desperation to shift players leaving us in a weak position. With Baker now, we can't really lose. He will be on relatively low wages, which you'd imagine are in some part being covered by Bristol. If he does well we either bring him back or sell him. If he doesn't we either try and sell him or loan him again. The outlay in terms of his wages could be very positively out weighed by any fee's, loans or through sale. We can't really lose on this one as far as I see it, good management of a resource by the club and manager whatever peoples perspective on his ability/potential. And I say that as someone who was initially disappointed that he had been given a new deal but that was because I thought it meant we wouldn't sign better options. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 Clark has gone from hate figure (with some) to hero (with some) and back to being dissed quite frequently in less than 12 months. I really don't think that is true. Nobody hates him. A lot didn't rate him, some of whom changed their mind last season and some of whom didn't like myself, now this season some of those who changed their minds last season have changed them back while others like myself still hold our original view on him. Some meanwhile continue to rate him. All fair enough. Nobody hates him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Baker shouldn't be back here unless he finds some serious form. I mean fair play to him, but I have never seen such a ordinary player in the premiership. No skill, tackles rash, gets injuries nearly every game and there's always a mistake in him. Sorry guys, in my youth I played with defenders with more to there game than Baker. Personally I think its only his Premiership experience that has got him in at Bristol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 He was terrible. Hopefully we have funds for a top CB next summer, and this guy, for all his hard work and bravery, is gone. About time we got ruthless. I agree with you about baker, but which top cb could we possibly sign? Utd, arsenal, Chelsea could all do with an improvement in that area but haven't signed anyone top there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shomin Geki Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The ruthlessness I agree with. It's the Nigel Adkins Sacked at Southampton effect. Baker did a job for us, threw his body on the line, in troubled times. He don't need that kind of 'hero' any more. So, sweet farewells and many thank yous, but we've evolved and I fear that Baker won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted September 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2015 Clark has gone from hate figure (with some) to hero (with some) and back to being dissed quite frequently in less than 12 months. I really don't think that is true. Nobody hates him. A lot didn't rate him, some of whom changed their mind last season and some of whom didn't like myself, now this season some of those who changed their minds last season have changed them back while others like myself still hold our original view on him. Some meanwhile continue to rate him. All fair enough. Nobody hates him though. ok maybe hate is too strong but so was a lot of the criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't see what he's going to learn from the move tbh. He may learn with more game time not to be so rash but I doubt it. I agree with you really, i see it as putting him the shop window more than being about development personally. You're probably right, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If the ambition is simply to get rid of him, why did we offer him a new contract at the time Burnley had had a bid for him accepted? This is what I don't understand - I don't expect everyone to agree with me that he's got a lot of potential, but if the aim was simply to get rid, we've already thrown away a golden opportunity. I'm not certain if they did have a bid accepted but in any case there are a few reasons why it perhaps didn't happen, such as Baker saying no. Or perhaps Sherwood is undecided on him but would rather not flog him but did the decent thing and accepted the bid because he knew he was bringing in a number of CB's but Baker wanted to fight for his future here. Once that move didn't happen, if indeed it was an option then the club has a decision to make. Do they give him a new deal, send him out on loan and see what happens or do they allow his contract to run down and ultimately run the risk of it expiring? As a football club let alone a business we can't keep getting nominal fee's for players or allowing them to leave on free's as we've done so many times in the last few years. We've done this through a combination of poor contract management, poor signings and desperation to shift players leaving us in a weak position. With Baker now, we can't really lose. He will be on relatively low wages, which you'd imagine are in some part being covered by Bristol. If he does well we either bring him back or sell him. If he doesn't we either try and sell him or loan him again. The outlay in terms of his wages could be very positively out weighed by any fee's, loans or through sale. We can't really lose on this one as far as I see it, good management of a resource by the club and manager whatever peoples perspective on his ability/potential. And I say that as someone who was initially disappointed that he had been given a new deal but that was because I thought it meant we wouldn't sign better options. Alright, thanks Trent, that's a good explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 you'll never guess... he's gone off injured tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Big loss for Bristol, he's been very good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yes, looking briefly on a forum it looks like they think he's been excellent. They also seem to think Robinson is cack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I think he is perfect for Championship, he is big, brave and not the worst positionally. Only problem is he is made of glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 He would still have his uses for me. He's the sort of defender you want on the pitch if the likes of Andy Carroll were playing. A big unit with more bravery than sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I still like him, and I'm not surprised he's making a success of himself. He has all the raw ingredients, he needed a run of games. I hope we get to see him in claret and blue again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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