bickster Posted August 30, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2011 Makoun was bought by Houllier and therefore is evidence if you like that Houllier is a numbskull. Ever seen me say Darren Bent is rubbish? He was a Houllier purchase, he's been rather good, that doesn't mean Houllier wasn't a numbskull though on that basis then ferguson a numbskull for signing kleberson and djemba djemba everyone manager signs a dud or two Rarely do they manage to sign as many as Houllier, just check out the players he signed at Liverpool (the full list, not just the one's you can think of), I guarantee you've never heard of half of them, those you have most of them sank without a trace after they left Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 to be fair though im not actually interested in who he signed back then just who he signed with us. ireland wasnt signed by him. bent was good signing. makoun for me wasnt given a fair opportunity. walker on loan was a good signing. houllier gave bannan, clark and albrighton more of a chance than mon did, so he give youngsters a chance to be fair to houllier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Not happy about this at all. If hes not in AMC plans then why not get a fee for him? Also, the 'agreed' fee that we have apparently agreed with Olympiakos is only 3.5m Euros? WTF?!?! To say we're trying to cut costs and save money Randy really does like pissing his money up the wall doesnt he? Our best midfielder sold on the cheap. Grreat stuff. Mind you, did you see the reception the Olympiakos fans gave him? Awesome. They even already have a song for him. Thats what you want when joining a new club, not the doom and gloom thats hanging over everything Villa related atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Too much too soon. We will get relegated if we get a few injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Makoun was bought by Houllier and therefore is evidence if you like that Houllier is a numbskull. Ever seen me say Darren Bent is rubbish? He was a Houllier purchase, he's been rather good, that doesn't mean Houllier wasn't a numbskull though on that basis then ferguson a numbskull for signing kleberson and djemba djemba everyone manager signs a dud or two Rarely do they manage to sign as many as Houllier, just check out the players he signed at Liverpool (the full list, not just the one's you can think of), I guarantee you've never heard of half of them, those you have most of them sank without a trace after they left Liverpool. As opposed to McLeish's excellent signing record with the Blues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Makoun was bought by Houllier and therefore is evidence if you like that Houllier is a numbskull. Ever seen me say Darren Bent is rubbish? He was a Houllier purchase, he's been rather good, that doesn't mean Houllier wasn't a numbskull though on that basis then ferguson a numbskull for signing kleberson and djemba djemba everyone manager signs a dud or two Rarely do they manage to sign as many as Houllier, just check out the players he signed at Liverpool (the full list, not just the one's you can think of), I guarantee you've never heard of half of them, those you have most of them sank without a trace after they left Liverpool. Think he signed some decent players before he had his heart problems, afterwards he wasnt the same.. Nearly dying floating around in your head, mixed with trying to run a football club would I think have some effect on your performance as a manager..His mind wouldnt have been 100% on the job in hand. However over time your mindset changes when you've been through a major scare/surgery etc..And you get used to the fact you have problems, it gets put to back of your head and you can continue your life as normal.. Its like you kinda learn and get used to your situation.. Its like suddenly losing a leg or arm...At 1st its a shock to your system and you wouldnt function at 100% in your mind at work...But latter in life when you get used to having lost a leg or arm, you just get on with life...Time is great healer. And Houllier's time EVER as a poor manager(if you want to find a moment of poor management) before he joined us, was during his illness setback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 . No major loss, Apart from the 6M we spent on him. Can't see us getting anything like that for him now. I bet Mcleish wishes he had that money now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Wasnt it 4 and bit million sterling? About 5m Euro at the time. Shame really. I don't think he's been given a fair crack at the whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Yeah, Houllier himself said it was £4.5m but all the papers are running with £6m for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 usual issue of when you want to highlight a bad purchase you exaggerate the price to suit your argument to make it sound worse than it was. And vice versa etc. I remember variously as and when it suited respected arguments Petrov and Davies' transfer fees seem to veer from £6-9m in the formers case and £8-10mil in the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojames Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I wonder how much we've received as a loan fee. Can't see he'll have any future with us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiDanger Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I don't blame him for leaving, have you see the support they get? Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYLRzncHzzc. Who wouldn't want to play for support like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Whew! 200 pages in honour of a player who managed all of 8 appearances, 3 yellow cards and one red in his time with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisNichollsToe Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Whew! 200 pages in honour of a player who managed all of 8 appearances, 3 yellow cards and one red in his time with us. Have you seen the Ireland thread? :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Whew! 200 pages in honour of a player who managed all of 8 appearances, 3 yellow cards and one red in his time with us. Have you seen the Ireland thread? :winkold: :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I don't blame him for leaving, have you see the support they get? Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYLRzncHzzc. Who wouldn't want to play for support like that? Compared to the pantomime villain reception he gets from some sections of our support....yeah, i can see why he went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 30, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2011 I don't blame him for leaving, have you see the support they get? Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYLRzncHzzc. Who wouldn't want to play for support like that? Compared to the pantomime villain reception he gets from some sections of our support....yeah, i can see why he went. Sorry to be picky but you clearly can't. Him going had nothing to do with the fans who either don't rate him or were unsure about him and everything to do with the manager not rating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Id say that after everything that has gone on, Makoun wanted out anyway. Maybe McCleish just wasnt using him because he knew he was off somewhere else. I guess we will never know the truth though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 No great loss I'm afraid, he was often a liability in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisNichollsToe Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I don't blame him for leaving, have you see the support they get? Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYLRzncHzzc. Who wouldn't want to play for support like that? Compared to the pantomime villain reception he gets from some sections of our support....yeah, i can see why he went. Sorry to be picky but you clearly can't. Him going had nothing to do with the fans who either don't rate him or were unsure about him and everything to do with the manager not rating him. Trent, There was a thread on here not so long ago, concerning our relationship with some big New York agency, and stating that the club was trying to force players to drop there current agents, for them, and that if they did not sign, the club could make it difficult for them. Im proberly grasping straws here, but could all this that is happening now, be related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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