bickster Posted August 31, 2010 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2010 On the "guff" that Bickster refers, I'm sorry the point about more bums on seats will result in better players is true, in my opinion. Man City or Chelsea we aint I'm afraid. A crowd of less than 30k for Rapid was not very encouraging. Clearly you need to do the maths about how much people attending a football match actually put towards the purse, you'd be surprised at how little it is. Just think of this... a shortfall of about 5k in attendance (which is usually all we're ever off capacity, and that usually when the likes of Fulham are at VP) with an average spend of £40 equates to £200k, now as that happens on average about (without doing the research) say 12 times a season thats a whole £2.4mil (£2mil net) over a season we're falling short through "poor attendance". Who you going to buy and pay wages for because that £2.4 mil is missing? is poor attendance really preventing us moving forward as suggested? I think not, its guff. It may be well intentioned but its not really the truth of the situation. The attendance shortfall is worth about half a Marlon Harewood financially.....(wages not included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted August 31, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2010 Bicks Agreed but I think you are being very generous with the £40 average. In reality as more kids would attend it's probably more likely below £30 or the grand sum of £150k per match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 31, 2010 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2010 I agree Mike but I didn't want to get bogged down in the nitty gritty, erring on the side of the club tbh to illustrate how daft the idea was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straygoat Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Good article Gazton. As someone pointed out earlier, the Milner-Ireland deal had to go ahead because Milner wanted out. You can't keep unhappy players in this day and age and then get top dollar for them, it just doesn't happen anymore. As soon as his head was turned, we had no choice but to get the best deal possible and Ireland plus cash is as good as we could have hoped for. While I am disappointed we didn't sign anyone (especially a forward), I can see it is the sensible way forward. It is imperative that we get a manager with an exceptional record in the transfer market - MON wasted far too much money on some very mediocre players. I'm a bit worried that come January, the players we need to take us forward will not be available and we could be left with some emergency 'make do' signings. I really think that if Gabby is out for an extended period, we could be drawn into a dog fight down at the bottom. Carew looks disinterested, Heskey NEVER attacks space in the box, which leaves us with Delfouneso if Gabby's out. We didn't score enough last year and I see us scoring even less this time around. I also worry about heads dropping if we go on a bad run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 We will have to ride our luck with injuries but what has changed at Villa really the last few years, with O'Neill being reluctent to rotate his squad but now we will get a manager that will use the whole squad just to get a better idea of each players ability. If we can be in the top 8 or 10 by Jan we can spend a few million in Jan and push for the top 6 again. The most important decison is getting the right manager and that will take aslong as it takes. We have won 2 out 3 in the league under MacDonald meaning we should be alright until the new man is hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straygoat Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 We have won 2 out 3 in the league under MacDonald meaning we should be alright until the new man is hired. Yes, but let's be honest, we were poor against Everton and were lucky to get the points. We won't get away with that level of performance every week. Sorry, but I can't see us being top 10 come Jan, no matter who comes in. We just don't have the firepower...we're gonna have to rely on backs to the wall performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 With no manager I dont care how we play as long we win. The players will want to impress the new manager so we might play like we can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker1234 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 With no manager I dont care how we play as long we win. The players will want to impress the new manager so we might play like we can do. You should care how they play under our caretaker manager though, he soon could be our manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 True but at the moment I will give the players the benefit of the doubt with what has gone on. If we play like that when the new manager or MacDonald is in charge I will them worry but not until that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Nice try, Gaz, but you must know in your heart of hearts that both these statements can't hold at the same time: I have great admiration and respect for Randy Lerner. I believe him to be the near-perfect custodian of our club. O’Neill, after 4 years of near-total, almost dictatorial, control of footballing matters had left and a massive vacuum remained. By their nature, vacuums suck up all that surrounds them. They are hugely volatile and destructive. I believe that Lerner’s biggest mistake since his arrival was to allow for that to happen. If Mr Lerner really did let MON have such potentially destructive control of the club, he can hardly have been a perfect, or even near-perfect, chairman, can he? For the moment, anger about MON's departure is quite understandably clouding questions about the competence of the board but as time goes on we will increasingly be able to judge the board's actions more dispassionately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 No way there is a deal in place that we can't back out of and then we play milner in our first game. If Mr Lerner really did let MON have such potentially destructive control of the club, he can hardly have been a perfect, or even near-perfect, chairman, can he? Excellent point, if Randy allowed us to get into such a mess then how is he blameless and so brilliant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted September 1, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2010 If Mr Lerner really did let MON have such potentially destructive control of the club, he can hardly have been a perfect, or even near-perfect, chairman, can he? I think that was Gatzon's actual point. He is near-perfect because this was allowed to happen. Hard to mistake Lerner on anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 If Mr Lerner really did let MON have such potentially destructive control of the club, he can hardly have been a perfect, or even near-perfect, chairman, can he? I think that was Gatzon's actual point. He is near-perfect because this was allowed to happen. Hard to mistake Lerner on anything else. Zacly. The near perfect bit, IMO, is the bit about giving MON way too much freedom and control of the club. MON obviously wanted this, but in hindsight it was perhaps not the wisest position to adopt. It resulted firstly in Faulkner, then a power struggle between Faulkner and MON, and then MON leaving and leaving us in this temporary vacuum. MON wanted it this way though, it seems. Lerner's only really major failing to date, for me, has been the misplaced trust and faith in MON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaztonVilla Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 That was my point. He gave MON control with the best of intentions, believing it to be in the best interests of the football club. He now knows he made a mistake doing that and is learning from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 That was my point. He gave MON control with the best of intentions, believing it to be in the best interests of the football club. He now knows he made a mistake doing that and is learning from it. I think Randy will prove to be a very good Lerner. :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Fine article Gazton. Is it really that bad being a Villa fan currently, i mean what is so wrong? So people are getting themselves in such a pickle, ask yourself what is really so bad? Probably down to the fact we haven't strengthened key areas. We have no LB cover, we haven't got proper CM cover, and well we don't have a proper goal scorer in. Sidwell is on the books, and will continue to look lost on the field and pass to the opposition, like he has done since he signed here. Heskey will continue to fall over and forget how to score. And John Carew will only decide to start playing well in late January when there is talk of him being released or sold off, as he has also done in the past, and throughout his career. So nothing really different to when MON was here? As i said what is really so terrible at Villa right now? Are we in masses of debt, do we owe banks or the government shit loads, are we about to fold or drop into the blue square premier. We're not going to challenge for the holy grail of the top four unless we spend another 100+ million imo and we're not going to do that. We're in the pack behind though, challenging possibly win the odd cup or two, whats wrong with that? I've realised since MON left that we're not going to spend the money to get the be all and end all of football, its not too bad competing if one of the best leagues in the world though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 That was my point. He gave MON control with the best of intentions, believing it to be in the best interests of the football club. He now knows he made a mistake doing that and is learning from it. I think Randy will prove to be a very good Lerner. :winkold: Jesus Wept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaztonVilla Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 The headhunters are Trezona apparently. Is that confirmed? If true, I'm impressed. Guy Trezona has a very good reputation and was, I think, involved in the FXPro deal. www.trezona.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Yeah but a mistake is a mistake. Football is an unforgiving sport and everyone is judged on results. I'm not saying that Lerner or MON should be harrangued at all but you have to judge people in this game by what they do and the results that they produce. Best intentions mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 ONeil had identified Ireland in June don't know anything about pre agreements but 100 percent he wanted him . Good post Gazton btw Not according to Jas, he said MON never wanted Ireland well MON's nephew said that apparently! :notsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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