Demitri_C Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well, looks like Houllier got his way eventually I suppose. For the record, I am all in favour of a new manager putting his stamp on the team, bringing in his own players and moving on players he does not want. However I object, strongly, to the manner in which he has handled Stephen Ireland. There's a difference between playing mind games in the media and blatantly lying and playing games with a man's family life. to be fair though irelands had quite a few opportunities to impress and has done absolutely nothing to warrant a place in teh side. look at ciran clark. he has played in three different positions and he has done excellently. bannan also grabbing his chance. ireland should look at these two youngsters for inspirations before he starts blaming the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 If he can get his form back and get his head right he could still be excellent for us. I think the problem is that GH seemed to write him off too soon then try and backtrack. Then with all the pressure GH was under Ireland was pretty much the scapegoat for our predicament. I would imagine this slightly more calm and collected Houllier would try to work with Ireland a bit more. Hopefully 5 months away will ease any tension and Ireland can come back to Villa as the excellent Premier League CM we know he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I don't see him coming back personally.. unless he does nothing at newcastle and newcastle will just send him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Good riddance to bad rubbish. Make it permanant and make it quick Harsh no? Not half as harsh as his wage to effort ratio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Even if he does well i still can't see him playing here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Ireland can come back to Villa as the excellent Premier League CM we know he can be. You mean CAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Upset it didn't work out for him. But only himself to blame. Upset set also that if it works out for him the barcodes have a strong midfield with him in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4rvillan Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I wonder if his medical will show up that he doesn't have the stomach for the fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellyoakvilla Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think it's the right move to send him out on loan and I'm just glad we're getting the replacement in Bradley for this season. I think we'll sign Bradley at the end of it, NRC will leave and we'll still have Ireland on the books for another chance - with half a season of games under his belt at Newcastle. It's a good move for all parties concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Can't see him ever playing a game for us anymore tbh, not unless we get a new manager in the summer. And the more I think about it, don't think I ever want to see him in a villashirt, 'playing' the way he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fran_villa Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I hope he helps to take them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well, looks like Houllier got his way eventually I suppose. For the record, I am all in favour of a new manager putting his stamp on the team, bringing in his own players and moving on players he does not want. However I object, strongly, to the manner in which he has handled Stephen Ireland. There's a difference between playing mind games in the media and blatantly lying and playing games with a man's family life. Why not just say what these 'games' were rather than coming on here and putting across a view (which I'm sure is substantiated) and then leaving the rest of us to rack our brains as to what your post actually means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummieVillan Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I hope Newcastle go down again now...he is soooo ungreatful...we were willing to get him back on track with his career in place of Milner but he has just threw it back in our face or so it seems. It hurts. He won't play for us again I don't think I don't really know much about Bradley either so fingers crossed he's a good loan move for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maradona10 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Gazton one thing I disagree with is playing with the mans family life, the guy is picking up over 72k for doing sweet FA. You may have a point about the rest however there are many people who would love to be in his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaztonVilla Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm going to keep the details to myself. The reason being, I've outlined many times in this thread SI's desire to stay, his desire to fight and win back his place in the side. I've told of the tactics that GH has employed in an effort to force SI out of the club. In spite of all that, there is an abiding opinion that SI is a waste of time, effort and money. Nothing I say is going to change that, so it's not worth getting myself wound up over. GH got his way, it seems. I hope it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4rvillan Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I appreciate Gazton's knowledge but I do get the feeling that what he said is always a one way view. If Ireland had showed enthusiasm and determination, then there wouldn't be a problem. I was really excited by his signing but is obvious that despite his words, he didn't want to be at AVFC. therefore, the best thing that could happen has happened. As for family issues, I take it that GH didn't believe him when he said that another one of his grandmas had died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well considering what we know as fans (no ITK knowledge) its a brilliant deal as he has provided nothing in the team anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morales Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think the only role he can play is the one that Young is playing at the moment and there isn't room for both of them. I guessing thats why we sending him out on loan, just in case Young leaves in the Summer, we have a ready made replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sani Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm going to keep the details to myself. The reason being, I've outlined many times in this thread SI's desire to stay, his desire to fight and win back his place in the side. I've told of the tactics that GH has employed in an effort to force SI out of the club. In spite of all that, there is an abiding opinion that SI is a waste of time, effort and money. Nothing I say is going to change that, so it's not worth getting myself wound up over. GH got his way, it seems. I hope it works out. I must say i would love Ireland to stay and prove his worth, but if he had any desire surely he wouldve shown that when he played? I think he did vs Newcastle but after that his attitude on the pitch was sometimes awful. But at the same time i dont get the negative and positive outbursts by Houllier and then finishing by lying about this move to Newcastle, unless all reporters in england are dead wrong?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Nothing I say is going to change that, so it's not worth getting myself wound up over. Not true you could tell us what you know but you have chosen not to. Houllier has only outcast players on footballing merit ie Carew, Warnock and those that have improved he has stuck by ie Dunne. I dont believe he has any personal problems with SI at all the only person that has personal problems is Stephen Ireland with Stephen Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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