Nigel Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 I would love to know whats really going on with these contract discussions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 Fabian Delph vs Switzerland: 57 touches, 97% pass accuracy, 2 key passes, 2 dribbles, 2 tackles, 1 shot, 1 block, 1 foul. Yes, 1 foul! Thats wrong then because he made a foul before his yellow which should have been a yellow but the ref told him its his last chance after 5 mins lol. Then the yellow came on 9 First tackle wasn't a foul, advantage played and used. Still a foul then no? Not a free kick but a foul surely? Advantage can only be played when there is a foul beforehand No. It would have been a foul if it was given. But it wasn't because there was advantage played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) I don't really understand how stats can be logged in that way Stevo. (Obviously I don't doubt they HAVE been, but it doesn't seem to make sense). You can foul someone, the opposition can play an advantage, and then when play stops (for whatever reason), the ref can go back and give a card to the played who fouled, if it warranted one, despite advantage being played. So in that scenario, the player would get a card... though the stats would say that he didn't foul? It doesn't make sense. 'Fouls:' should be different to 'Free kicks given to opposition:'. Edited September 10, 2014 by Rob182 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Well it appears something is finally being done chaps, as reported in todays papers http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=4133517 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 I don't really understand how stats can be logged in that way Stevo. (Obviously I don't doubt they HAVE been, but it doesn't seem to make sense). You can foul someone, the opposition can play an advantage, and then when play stops (for whatever reason), the ref can go back and give a card to the played who fouled, if it warranted one, despite advantage being played. So in that scenario, the player would get a card... though the stats would say that he didn't foul? It doesn't make sense. 'Fouls:' should be different to 'Free kicks given to opposition:'. Maybe, but that would make it very difficult to track. Depends on how you define a foul I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 with the foul / yellow card stats, my understanding is that "fouls" aren't registered, "free kicks" are registered, its just the way that source labelled the stats but foul and abusive language wouldnt register on the foul count either but could get the player a yellow / red card, it is feasible for a player to get a yellow card without conceding a foul same as its possible to win 1-0 without registering a shot on target, but i'll let you work that one out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I think the point was he's won the league twice, playing for man city, playing champions league, has 50 caps for England, and yet at no point has he ever been a regular or consistent player for England, and now Delph is seemingly ahead of him in the pecking order too, he's something of nothing, like I said, liked because of his work rate and ability to play in different positions, the paper made the comparison because of him coming to us from Leeds and being around forever Hopefully it's things like that that's being said to Delph, he's got the money, he's got a couple of medals, he's also played more for England than he has for man city this season, and he's only played 40 minutes for England... Pretty sure Milner came from Newcastle and was only here 2-3 seasons so if that's why they made the comparison they've done little research on an easy to research player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) with the foul / yellow card stats, my understanding is that "fouls" aren't registered, "free kicks" are registered, its just the way that source labelled the stats but foul and abusive language wouldnt register on the foul count either but could get the player a yellow / red card, it is feasible for a player to get a yellow card without conceding a foul same as its possible to win 1-0 without registering a shot on target, but i'll let you work that one out Or being on the pitch. And it's possible to get a card after the final whistle. Advantage is just one of those things. It's a quirk in statistics that are totally overblown anyway. Edited September 10, 2014 by ChrisVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Telegraph on contractual situation http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11084052/Fabian-Delphs-new-Aston-Villa-contract-of-top-priority-for-Paul-Lambert-and-will-reopen-talks-with-midfielder.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) independent - So this is what it has come to, after 22 years of the Premier League with its open coffers and open doors: a couple of decent games at club level and an England cap is yours. Come on down, John Stones, Calum Chambers and Fabian Delph. That is not strictly fair, certainly not to Delph who, at 24, has more than 150 senior appearances behind him, the bulk of them in the top flight. But it is true that amid all the World Cup inquests the Aston Villa midfielder never got a mention. Just six months ago the player himself said: "It’s every players’ ambition to represent their country, but I think I might be a bit away from that.” A few retirements and injuries later, followed by a decent start to his club season, and Delph became the latest recruit to Roy Hodgson’s England team. Such is the pace of change, and the youthful face of the veteran manager’s side, it is beginning to look like a revolution rather than evolution, one which could not have been more drastic had Hodgson walked away – or been pushed – after the World Cup. Not only was Delph’s inclusion a gamble, as was swiftly illustrated by his nervously reckless early tackling, so was the choice of Jack Wilshere as a holding midfielder and Stones at right-back. Wilshere has never played that role while the conservative choice defensively would have been to move Phil Jones across and bring in Phil Jagielka. But Hodgson showed before the World Cup that he does not fit the age stereotype referred to by Ernest Hemingway in A Farewell to Arms: “That is the great fallacy: the wisdom of old men. They do not grow wise. They grow careful.” In picking a starting XI with an average age of just over 24, one of England’s youngest for a competitive international, Hodgson was anything but careful. He pitted a midfield in which Delph was the oldest player against a trio in Valon Behrami, Gohan Inler and Granit Xhaxa who had 169 caps and two World Cups apiece behind them. Yet it was England’s young men, once Delph had settled, who grew to control much of the first hour. Moving the ball sweetly in triangles, playing through the thirds, keeping the ball. One wondered what James Milner, watching from the bench, thought of it all. Milner will see echoes of his own career path in Delph who was, for a season, a team-mate. Both were teenage prodigies at Leeds United who were forced to move on due to the club’s financial problems. They were together at Villa in 2009-10 though the first of the injuries that have slowed Delph’s progress meant they rarely played together. Then Milner left, in a £28.5m move for Manchester City. Surely now the potential that brought him extensive age-group recognition, including a staggering 46 under-21 caps, would be realised? It hasn’t really worked out like that. Somehow Milner, the epitome of a Steady Eddie, has taken his international appearances to 50 caps without ever seeming to have established himself in the team, even when he has had a run of games. Hodgson prizes his fitness and reliability, but while Milner has two championship-winning medals from his time at City he has found a starting place increasingly hard to retain with club as well as country. In the summer there was speculation that he would go to Arsenal, and play in the central midfield role he is believed to covet. The move never happened. Instead he stayed at City where he is yet to start a match this season. At 28 Milner should be at his peak, but this season he has played 30 minutes in the Community Shield a month ago, 12 in the Premier League in mid-August, and 29, for England, against Norway last week. So when Hodgson needed a central midfielder last night he felt he could not pick Milner. Or could he have done? Milner’s fitness is legendary. He usually tops the stats at England training sessions and the holding role requires less energy. Maybe he was left out because Hodgson was looking for something else, a bit more craft. Milner has had some very good games for England and is somewhat unappreciated. Indeed, he did well when coming on last night, but there is a suspicion that he does not shape games in the way it is hoped Wilshere will come to do. While his unfamiliarity with the position meant Wilshere at times searched in vain for space, when he did get on the ball his neat passing and ball-carrying ability meant there was a sense of possibilities. Wilshere cannot play at the head of a diamond, as he lacks the pace required in the cut-and-thrust of international football (at Arsenal that player is more often camped on the edge of the opposition area rather than leading a counter-attack). This deeper role may be the way to get him into the team. However, the risk in selecting such a positive-minded player in this position was illustrated when, after 67 minutes, Wilshere went forward, lost possession, and Switzerland galloped away into the space he had left behind. Fortunately the attack came to naught. But the experiment – for that is what it was – showed Hodgson has total faith that this squad will qualify for the finals (as they should in this group) and is thus prepared to look to the long-term rather than focus on the immediate result. Which shows he also had utter faith that his employers would have stood by him had last night gone horribly wrong. Nevertheless they, and he, will be mightily pleased that support is not being tested this morning. Edited September 10, 2014 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO · 22m Some good news coming up for Aston Villa fans. #avfc Maybe something to do with one of the contract situations being sorted. Edit: Someone on TBAR saying that it's that Benteke might be fit for Saturday. Edited September 10, 2014 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'd reckon Grealish will be sorted before Delph, hopefully both, and Vlaar too please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djemba_Villan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO · 22m Some good news coming up for Aston Villa fans. #avfc Maybe something to do with one of the contract situations being sorted. Edit: Someone on TBAR saying that it's that Benteke might be fit for Saturday. Bet it's about Gabby being about to sign a 4 year deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 This season he has played 30 minutes in the Community Shield a month ago, 12 in the Premier League in mid-August, and 29, for England, against Norway last week. Oh James, I hope those Premier League medals and your bulging bank balance are worth your lack of minutes for club and country. Fabian, don't end up like this waster! Sign a new contract and enjoy playing some football! (... without the league titles... or extra millions) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Being reported the deal is worth £10m to Delph. If thats not enough to last a lifetime.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) This season he has played 30 minutes in the Community Shield a month ago, 12 in the Premier League in mid-August, and 29, for England, against Norway last week. Oh James, I hope those Premier League medals and your bulging bank balance are worth your lack of minutes for club and country. Fabian, don't end up like this waster! Sign a new contract and enjoy playing some football! (... without the league titles... or extra millions) If Delph is serious about his football and his international career then he should stay. Being at a top team doesn't make you a top footballer, playing every week makes you a top footballer. Even if Citeh, Arsenal, Chelsea etc can offer him 80k a week and we can only offer him 40k, what can he really buy with 80k that he can't afford with 40k? Edited September 10, 2014 by 7392craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 Roy can't win can he? Play "proven" players and he gets accused of not giving the youth a chance. Play young, promising players and people have a go saying he's playing people who have only played a handful of promising games. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juteface Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Roy? Since when was he the decision maker on who plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 This season he has played 30 minutes in the Community Shield a month ago, 12 in the Premier League in mid-August, and 29, for England, against Norway last week. Oh James, I hope those Premier League medals and your bulging bank balance are worth your lack of minutes for club and country. Fabian, don't end up like this waster! Sign a new contract and enjoy playing some football! (... without the league titles... or extra millions) If Delph is serious about his football and his international career then he should stay. Being at a top team doesn't make you a top footballer, playing every week makes you a top footballer. Even if Citeh, Arsenal, Chelsea etc can offer him 80k a week and we can only offer him 40k, what can he really buy with 80k that he can't afford with 40k? A bigger boat you moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 This season he has played 30 minutes in the Community Shield a month ago, 12 in the Premier League in mid-August, and 29, for England, against Norway last week. Oh James, I hope those Premier League medals and your bulging bank balance are worth your lack of minutes for club and country. Fabian, don't end up like this waster! Sign a new contract and enjoy playing some football! (... without the league titles... or extra millions) If Delph is serious about his football and his international career then he should stay. Being at a top team doesn't make you a top footballer, playing every week makes you a top footballer. Even if Citeh, Arsenal, Chelsea etc can offer him 80k a week and we can only offer him 40k, what can he really buy with 80k that he can't afford with 40k? A bigger boat you moron. Ah yes, of course. You know what they say about guys with big boats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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