KSV Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: I would have Green in the side over Grealish any day of the week. That I'd think that at their respective stages of their careers says more about Grealish than Green. Jack is running out of chances fast. Agreed. I think even RHM will go past him as well. At least the pressure will be off him then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 There is no complicated, intrinsic science behind this. It's quite simple. Train hard, strive to improve(which you need to clearly) and you'll play. Don't and you won't. That's it from my viewpoint anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Feel for him. Hopefully he's not out for too long, for his sake and ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 4, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 4, 2017 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: Feel for him. Hopefully he's not out for too long, for his sake and ours. Meh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted March 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2017 Just now, TrentVilla said: Meh Bottom line is we need fit players. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 He hasn't really seized the moment in the Championship. At this level he should be standing out in pretty much every game he plays because he has the ability to do so, but he really has failed to do that, so although I'm not happy he's injured I do not think he'll be a massive loss based on his exploits this season. Time after time he allows games to pass him by, just not proactive enough, doesn't demand the ball enough and doesn't do enough when he has it. I'm disappointed because I really thought he'd excel this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He hasn't really seized the moment in the Championship. At this level he should be standing out in pretty much every game he plays because he has the ability to do so, but he really has failed to do that, so although I'm not happy he's injured I do not think he'll be a massive loss based on his exploits this season. Time after time he allows games to pass him by, just not proactive enough, doesn't demand the ball enough and doesn't do enough when he has it. I'm disappointed because I really thought he'd excel this season. Whilst true, we have changed managers, changed players and changed formations (far too much with that one) so it will always be hard for a young player to make an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Does it look a long injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 40 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Does it look a long injury? Bruce said could be a few weeks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 5, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 5, 2017 16 hours ago, DK82 said: Whilst true, we have changed managers, changed players and changed formations (far too much with that one) so it will always be hard for a young player to make an impact. That is just more excuses for him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 16 hours ago, DK82 said: Whilst true, we have changed managers, changed players and changed formations (far too much with that one) so it will always be hard for a young player to make an impact. I don't think that holds weight to be fair. Andre Green ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: That is just more excuses for him. I've been pretty critical of him, but I also don't think the situation helps. As for Green, he has just come into the team - a different situation to Jack, and yes he has caused his own problems too - but he has been playing in a very unstable team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) On 3/5/2017 at 10:02, Johnnyp said: I don't think that holds weight to be fair. Andre Green ? Hasn't really been a part of the first team. The odd 5 minutes here and there doesn't count for much. Grealish has had a stormy 2 years. I still rate his ability, he took a ball down and turned on a 6 pence on Saturday and I thought to myself there isn't another player on the pitch who could do that. However, the boy wonder tag has well and truly been lost, he just can't find consistency. No matter what the reason for it. Maybe it will do him good. He's not the main man anymore, nor is he expected to be. Nor should he be at that age. Edited March 6, 2017 by dont_do_it_doug. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 09:45, TrentVilla said: That is just more excuses for him. I think that's unfair. Grealish hasn't kicked on as we'd have all hoped, and there's definitely a chance that his attitude is holding him back, but he's been in a pretty unstable situation for quite a while now (as have a lot of our players). He's got talent and needs to apply it. I actually think, whilst I've been critical of him too, the pressure has got to him. He was expected to be a great player, being linked to Man City et al at one point, and probably expected to "cruise" a bit in the Championship. As this hasn't happened, I think he'll feel somewhat "free" to express himself properly next season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) The managerial situation has been very destabilising but the really good players seem to deliver regardless of issues like that. It might be a reason for not being massively consistent, but not an excuse for what I see as some really poor performances. He's showing, at a much lower level than the premier league, that he can't really dominate matches and have a prolonged influence over them. I think he is too lackadaisical in possession, not enough urgency, too much of a preference for holding onto the ball and dribbling with it, rather than releasing it earlier, and he tends to assume he has more time on the ball than he has (leading to him making poor decisions). Edited March 7, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Sure, but he's only 21 and plays in a position that doesn't really allow for "domination of matches". He's still learning and has a lot to learn, rather than being a player who should be reaching their peak but isn't doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigy1874 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, bobzy said: I think that's unfair. Grealish hasn't kicked on as we'd have all hoped, and there's definitely a chance that his attitude is holding him back, but he's been in a pretty unstable situation for quite a while now (as have a lot of our players). He's got talent and needs to apply it. I actually think, whilst I've been critical of him too, the pressure has got to him. He was expected to be a great player, being linked to Man City et al at one point, and probably expected to "cruise" a bit in the Championship. As this hasn't happened, I think he'll feel somewhat "free" to express himself properly next season. Hopefully at another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 hours ago, bobzy said: I think that's unfair. Grealish hasn't kicked on as we'd have all hoped, and there's definitely a chance that his attitude is holding him back, but he's been in a pretty unstable situation for quite a while now (as have a lot of our players). He's got talent and needs to apply it. I actually think, whilst I've been critical of him too, the pressure has got to him. He was expected to be a great player, being linked to Man City et al at one point, and probably expected to "cruise" a bit in the Championship. As this hasn't happened, I think he'll feel somewhat "free" to express himself properly next season. How many seasons are we likely to give him before he actually starts consistently performing? Was the same last season. I really thought at this level he would excel but he has been pretty shit a majority of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: How many seasons are we likely to give him before he actually starts consistently performing? Was the same last season. I really thought at this level he would excel but he has been pretty shit a majority of the season. He has let himself down at times and should take a long hard look at Andre green who has taken his chance and performed admirably. jack needs to lose the petulance arm waving and moaning and get on with playing his football - he looked great at Wembley v Liverpool and has pretty much wasted the last 2 years rather than kicking on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted March 7, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Personally I think his best position is as a number 10, picking up space in between the lines and driving forward when get gets the ball. Unfortunately, for whatever reason it's a system we just cannot play as we always need 3 centre midfielders, so Jack seems to be getting shoved out wide where he's not great imo. Edited March 7, 2017 by PieFacE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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