Popular Post tomav84 Posted September 29, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2021 our players are individually better without him. our team overall is better without him. smith is better without him. we wouldn't have won saturday with him in the side, IMO. it was theorised when he left, but him leaving really seems to be the best thing that could have happened and mad that 2 of the 3 players that we bought with the money didn't even start saturday and have missed various games this season. we're playing much better but with largely the same team 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Just now, Zatman said: Sad to see Jack have his style taken from him I've defended Jack more than most in this thread, but nothing is being 'taken from him', he wanted this move and will have known this would be required. Maybe 'sad to see Jack willingly give up the style that made him such a great player to watch'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: I've defended Jack more than most in this thread, but nothing is being 'taken from him', he wanted this move and will have known this would be required. Maybe 'sad to see Jack willingly give up the style that made him such a great player to watch'. I was going to put in a dig about the money but was comnenting more for a football fan than Jack himself he will be fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 7 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Or with it imho. I maintain Man City overpaid. Grealish is not a 100M player. Whether or not Grealish will end up being like Benteke or Idrissa Gueye I cant say but as of today it looks like we did great business. Of course I didnt want him to leave but it seems to be working out for everyone. Benteke or Idrissa Gueye? Really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Benteke or Idrissa Gueye? Really? Assume he means which way Jacks career goes. one is playing for an elite club while the other is a Crystal Palace reserve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Thing is Jack had bad games for us but most of the time the whole team played badly too so if we got bashed 3-0 it wouldn't look too bad on him. Now if he has a bad game in that team it will be amplified 100x and he'd look dog shit if the rest of the team are playing well. But... yeah. For the most expensive British player/prem record signing you'd be expecting a matchwinner. They will probably give him a little bit of time to get used to the 'champions league nights' as of course he's been languishing in the doldrums playing for shit villa for his whole life, but they won't give him forever. Especially at his age - he's not a 20 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 7 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: At last, a post without bitterness. No point being bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, The Moustache of Teale said: He’s an outstanding player and will have huge success there - everyone has games where they’re not at their best - he had a few of them for us too. For me, the key thing is that at Man City, he fits into the system whereas at Villa the system fitted around him. He doesn’t quite have the same remit there, and that takes away that bit of the maverick edge in him. I can’t see him going on one of those barnstorming runs like he did at home to Leeds for example, and to that extent it feels a bit like a super car with a speed limiter fitted. Nonetheless he’s one of their best players and will win trophies there. I don’t agree with this mate. He will play a lot because of the price tag but I think they have quite a few better players. He will definitely win trophy’s though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: Really? I'm not sure there's another player in that team that slows the ball down the way Grealish often does. This is what I noticed. Silva, Mahrez, KDB, Sterling all seemed to have intent and try to make something happen. Jack just seem to slow it down, square up to his man and then lay it off. He is a lot better than he showed yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 He's no KdB, but he's not out of place in the same group as Sterling, Foden, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 11 hours ago, PaulC said: Its early days yet. Both PSG and City will qualify and tonight was only his second champions league game so i wouldnt write him off as a £100 mil player just yet. Not writing him off as a 100m pound player. I just never thought he was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Not writing him off as a 100m pound player. I just never thought he was one. I dont either. He doesnt score enough goals to be in that bracket. People argued with me when I said Salah was worth that but despite being older his goal scoring record is top draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: He's no KdB, but he's not out of place in the same group as Sterling, Foden, etc. He’s not but he isn’t an improvement either. That’s why spending 100m on a player they already have an abundance of makes no sense. Although to be fair he does have a few years on Mahrez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, PaulC said: No point being bitter. Corrodes the soul, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted September 29, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: Really? I'm not sure there's another player in that team that slows the ball down the way Grealish often does. I guess what I mean by that is in their general approach play. Jack looks at his best when he's given the ball early and told to run with it and be direct. At least, for Villa he did anyway imo. When City get to the final third everything kinda grinds to a halt a bit and they just knock it about for a while. At least, that's my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) Reality is Jack improves - his game is elite because of his mentality and his desire. If he started off at an extremely high level then I'd think long term he'd flop. But he'll improve as he did with us. Fckr. Edited September 29, 2021 by Sulberto21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 29, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 29, 2021 Jack has never been a goalscorer. Luka Modric wasn't a goalscorer either but he'd be a £100m player if he was in his prime now. That's not their role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zatman said: Assume he means which way Jacks career goes. one is playing for an elite club while the other is a Crystal Palace reserve Yeah I think I was a bit harsh questioning it like that tbf. My immediate thought waa that Grealish is better than both, but Benteke had genuine world class potential when younger, and I always rated Gueye. Just always thought Grealish is a very special player, which he is, but he has to show it at City now. Edited September 29, 2021 by Tom13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I've defended Jack more than most in this thread, but nothing is being 'taken from him', he wanted this move and will have known this would be required. Maybe 'sad to see Jack willingly give up the style that made him such a great player to watch'. He looks too afraid to deviate, Jack was a free spirit, he doesn't look the same to me, and he has lost that beaming smile. He has made his bed, and he has to lie on it......it wouldn't surprise me, that in a couple of seasons, he moves on. I hope he does well, but I just don't see it.....where's all those little one,twos, disappeared to.....He passes and they turn their back and move it in the opposite direction. Having said all of that, I think we will progress nicely, without him. Edited September 29, 2021 by TRO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, TRO said: He looks too afraid to deviate, Jack was a free spirit, he doesn't look the same to me, and he has lost that beaming smile. He has made his bed, and he has to lie on it......it wouldn't surprise me, that in a couple of seasons, he moves on. I hope he does well, but I just don't see it.....where's all those little one,twos, disappeared to.....He passes and they turn their back and move it in the opposite direction. Having said all of that, I think we will progress nicely, without him. It's probably good in a way that we've shifted a player who could do pretty much whatever he wanted at the club for a huge fee. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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