Wainy316 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 49 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Who’s respect are you seeking by this approach? We will always be “the vile” to other clubs. Football is tribal I just don’t get our fans obsession with being perceived as universally liked, it’s self defeating as it’s impossible. Liverpool and United are small time at times, that’s tribalism. Who's respect? Probably my own. Don't want to become what I've mocked. Also, I'm not prepared to erase years of good times either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Oh, fans are so fickle. You will all love him if he comes back in his 30's like Young did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: It's an opinion piece so what else would you expect?! It is Ashley's take on the Grealish interview and nothing more. My personal thought is that he is correct with some of the assessment. I've said it before, but Grealish will probably forget he even played for Villa in 12 months time. Its all about him getting the accolades from others and fuelling narcissistic desires to be the most popular and talked about footballer on the planet. Exactly… so as soon as someone says something that shines him in a poor light, it rattled his cage enough for him to need to reply… I’m 100% with Preece on this… Spectacular bit of trolling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: It's just unprofessional, and the most embarrassing thing is that he's done it in the seemingly correct belief that loads of barking seals will be clapping along to it. Our fans can be pure cringe sometimes. Funny you call me out for comments on other people and then people who aren’t agreeing with you and agree with Preece article you call “barking seals”….seems you are doing the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Oh, fans are so fickle. You will all love him if he comes back in his 30's like Young did. That assumes people had similar feelings towards Young when he left in the first place. Totally different scenarios for a plethora of reasons. The ex coming back after she's been gang banged, had a couple kids for another man, gotten fat, left her best days behind her and realises how much she loves you doesn't appeal to me. Lol Edited September 3, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Also, I'm not prepared to erase years of good times either. Jack erased those! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: 'Factually'. Here is the whole article. I have bolded the bits in it which are actual facts: 'There was a real smugness and arrogance to Jack Grealish that was quite distasteful as he sat in a sports hall at St George's Park as he spoke to ITV's Gabriel Clarke ahead of England's 4-0 win in Hungary. The former Aston Villa captain was no longer this innocent yet totally engaging footballer Villa fans idolised. In fact, the 25-year-old was quite frankly unrecognisable as he delivered some painful and, to some extent, insulting words about his boyhood club. Clarke asked him if he ever thought that the £100million clause would be met and, as if staying at Villa would have been a total inconvenience for him, delivered the most telling of comments. "Maybe, yeah," Grealish outlined with brutal honesty. "That's why we had it put in..." Then there was a gasp, as if Grealish had to backtrack knowing that ice-cold statement lacked total respect to Aston Villa Football Club. It irked and angered Villa fans, I know it did. It's fact, I get that, but you don't spill it and deliver it the way he did knowing millions will be hanging onto his every word. Grealish may as well have tweeted out, 'My city. My club. My release clause' just 12 months ago when he signed his five-year deal to become Villa's highest-paid player in the club's history. He also believed in Villa's project, or so he said, before engineering a move 11 months later. 'I couldn't wait to get out,' was the vibe I got from Grealish's interview this week, while he also spoke of the "massive reason" behind his City transfer with regards to his England prospects. "I feel to be playing for England in the biggest of games I need to be playing at club level in the biggest of games, that'll be the Champions League, all these types of games," he said. Now, again, those comments just don't stack up knowing that, this week, Kalvin Phillips was named England's player of the year for his standout Euro 2020 campaign with the Leeds United man now amongst the first names on Gareth Southgate's team sheet. It's the same with Everton and England No.1 Jordan Pickford and West Ham's Declan Rice who, this season, will taste Europa League football for the first time. All three started in Hungary last night and all three are top picks despite never playing Champions League football. Come off it, Jack. Jealousy was a huge factor behind Grealish's move knowing he couldn't stand the likes of Phil Foden, Jude Bellingham and Mason Mount all drawing rave reviews for their star showings in Europe. Grealish also referenced this in his ITV interview. "You see the likes of Phil last year playing in all these Champions League games in the quarters, semis and final and, you know, you could see that it did help his England career as well," he said. Southgate hasn't helped in that regard, though, as he failed to pick Grealish time and time again despite the ex-Villa man outperforming Raheem Sterling, Foden, Mount and others on a weekly basis at 'little old Villa'. Grealish always made a difference whenever called upon with England while he became transfixed with getting his goal and assist numbers up, a motivation and obsession ingrained into him from Dean Smith's very first day as Villa boss in October 2018. The Villa gaffer immediately knocked Grealish down a peg when he arrived. He pointed to his whiteboard at Bodymoor and told his star man, 'So you were going to sign for Spurs in the summer? For £25million?' The boss then hit Grealish who, by the sounds of it, was gutted his Tottenham move didn't pan out, with the coldest of reality checks knowing he had no goals and just one assist from Villa's first 12 games in the Championship. That moment of brilliant man-management sparked Grealish's career into life yet, as his ITV interview continued this week, it was all about The Grealish Show as he spoke of Pep Guardiola wanting the same in terms of numbers while speaking of his first goal in a City shirt. Clarke was then in with another brilliant question asking Grealish if he's better after less than a month at the Etihad. "Yeah, 100 per cent," he said. "You just pick up stuff from certain players. Everyone's an international at a top, top country. It makes you up your standards." Now that's not much of an endorsement for his former teammates at Villa, is it? There was just zero affection for Villa, a club he banged on about loving, in Grealish's first England interview since leaving. It just stank of 'Villa aren't good enough for me, I'm better than that'. I remember Smith's parting comments outlining how he told Grealish, 'Don't be a stranger now' but it's as if he is. The boyhood Villan has long gone. It's JG10 the brand, the PR machine. Smith also said Grealish should be thankful to Villa, of no doubt he is, from his ex-teammates, coaches and right down to the canteen staff who cooked him beans on toast of a morning when he was a kid coming through. The interview was a shocker. The body language, the quotes. It lacked class and class is something you'd always associate with Grealish.' Those are the correct facts, ie some facts about other players, some details of his transfer, some stats about a Championship season, his age, and some quotes (though plenty of things that appear to be quotes are in fact not). The rest is gossip, conjecture, Preece's personal interpretation and a certain amount of pure fantasy. Here are some phrases used in the article that you definitely don't get taught to use in journalism school: 'as if' (used twice) 'may as well have tweeted out' (ie, he didn't tweet this) 'was the vibe I got from' 'come off it' 'by the sounds of it' 'banged on about' 'it just stank of' It's just unprofessional, and the most embarrassing thing is that he's done it in the seemingly correct belief that loads of barking seals will be clapping along to it. Our fans can be pure cringe sometimes. It's something written by someone who has read a lot of Facebook comments and whipped themselves up into being angrier than they actually are. Haven't seen the interview, don't really care about him anymore. Why put yourself through it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, HalfTimePost said: Awful article from Ashley Preece. The worst article I've ever read. Reads like he spent 6 weeks in the echo chamber of this thread and then made it into an article. What Jack said hurts as a villa fan. But. We all knew it was true. And he hasn't actually said anything bad about Villa. It's just not nice to read. Every bad thing is additional interpretation that's been added onto it by fans afterwards. As for the Article. I don't disagree with Grealish's reply either. I notice Grealish said it's 'the worst and most one sided article I've ever seen...' and not 'the worst and most one sided article I've ever read...' because well, y'know... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Xela said: Did anyone else actually want him? I’ve always thought him to be a decent player if I’m honest… But then again, I’m not a manager of a football club, so what do I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: That assumes people had similar feelings towards Young when he left in the first place. Totally different scenarios for a plethora of reasons. Thanks, that means a lot Erm... I can vaguely recall the hatred Young got for that dive at Old Trafford. All forgotten now. Jack will be welcomed back with open arms by the vast majority in 4 or 5 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DJ_Villain Posted September 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Oh, fans are so fickle. You will all love him if he comes back in his 30's like Young did. Hang on… isn’t your profile picture a picture of the aforementioned with a big Red Cross over his face? 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, nick76 said: Jack erased those! Nah they're still there because without them having happened we may still be languishing in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: Unless Mark Noble makes it his last playing year If Marl Noble is a contender then so was Gabby. Truth is i think both were never coveted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't know if you're intending to copy the style and syntax of Trump's tweets, but it's not a bad effort if you are. I was thinking the similar about you, maybe in the Matt Gaetz/Majorie Taylor Greene style was coming across from your comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 His interview is so lacking in emotion when he talks about Villa it is really hard to believe he's supported Villa all his life. He put out a very poor social media post the day he left which said nothing of note and didn't even bother to explain his actions. The sad thing is he thinks he's better than the club but up until the age of 22 he was a liability. He can blame the demise of the club for playing a part in that but there's no escaping he was an immature underachiever until the second half of the 17/18 season where after that freak injury he suddenly started to play football at a decent level. Grealish became a great player eventually for us but Chuk for me is showing more ability/potential than Grealish at the same age and with the maturity to boot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: Nah they're still there because without them having happened we may still be languishing in the Championship. Maybe, maybe not…we had Tammy’s 26 goals, McGinn player of the season…we’ll never know. Maybe not erased, maybe just badly tarnished then… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, nick76 said: Maybe, maybe not…we had Tammy’s 26 goals, McGinn player of the season…we’ll never know. Maybe not erased, maybe just badly tarnished then… 2 wins in 13 when he was injured wasn't it? Club was going absolutely nowhere until Super Jack bailed us out. Edited September 3, 2021 by villalad21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, villalad21 said: You will all love him if he comes back in his 30's like Young did. I see it going the way of Barry personally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: It's an opinion piece so what else would you expect?! It is Ashley's take on the Grealish interview and nothing more. My personal thought is that he is correct with some of the assessment. I've said it before, but Grealish will probably forget he even played for Villa in 12 months time. Its all about him getting the accolades from others and fuelling narcissistic desires to be the most popular and talked about footballer on the planet. I dont know why people think this will happen. A. He has baggage and even without that he is miles behind Pogba and Neymar who are only slightly older and Mbappe and Haaland who are younger How might become the most popular English player since Beckham but thats it. He isnt winning a Ballon Dor in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsworthvilla Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: Maybe it's because I'm not really a "local" Villa fan, born in Cheltenham to a non-Villa supporting family, but I don't get the vitriol toward Grealish. Well I was born a stones throw from VP to a Villa family, and I find the vitriol absolutely baffling, bordering on ridiculous. Ignoring for a minute all the things Jack did for the club, anyone with half a brain can see how much Jack and his family love Villa. He was a fan long before he became one of the best players in the world. You could hear it in his voice when he talked about the club and the ground and see it in his face when we won. I've been going to VP since '94 and I've never heard another player come close to having so much genuine love for the club. Who else would describe scoring the winner against Blues as the best day of their life? I think people are guilty of over-simplifying situations which they have no real knowledge about. I love Villa just as much as the next person, but if I was 25 and had the whole of the country telling me I had the potential to be the best player in the world, I think I would owe it to myself to try and achieve everything I possibly could. Its about not having regrets. Who wants to look back at 50 and say I could've been the best player in the world, I could've won loads of trophies, but I turned down the opportunities that were offered to me. People always over-simplify and make it out as if its always about money because that's a simple narrative and gives them an easy reason to blame the player. They take the human element out of it. If Jack was your brother what would you advise him to do? With a heavy heart I'd probably tell him he owes it to himself to see how good he can actually be, because he'll probably regret it if he didn't For what its worth, all my real life Villa friends feel exactly the same way and will always hold Jack in high regard, and hope we get to see him in claret and blue again one day 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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