Stevo985 Posted August 10, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I find the insistence that booing is pathetic and he did nothing wrong and the continued ramming of it down other fans' throats more bizarre to be honest, but agree to disagree Who's ramming it down fans' throats? It's my opinion, I stated it as that. people can do what they want. He hasn't done nothing wrong, I agree with whoever said earlier that he could have recorded a more heartfelt message or addressed the fans directly. But ultimately I don't see how he could have done much differently and don't agree that he left on bad terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, lapal_fan said: I can understand why he'd be booed, he did choose to leave us afterall. But I wouldn't boo personally because I acknowledge that he was a premier league top 4 player playing for us in the Championship and took on A LOT of responsibility through leadership to get us promoted. This is where I am, but if people want to boo then that's their right, and calling them pathetic is... pathetic IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted August 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 The bit about him knowing for months has been what's really wound me up. We know it happens, but it's ridiculous how flagrantly tapping up occurs these days. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Designer1 Posted August 10, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, El Zen said: At the end of the day, football is entertainment and emotion is its only output. It’s pantomime on steroids. You cheer for the hero and boo the villain. It’s base human nature distilled and concentrated. You can go to the panto, sit in the corner with your arms crossed and say «don’t boo the dragon, he’s perfectly entitled to defend himself against the knight in shining armor». But that’s no fun, is it? This is where I'm at with it too. As I said before re.Jack, booing is absolutely fine with me, its all part of the pantomime. Its the OTT vitriolic anger and wanting him injured that I'll never be on board with. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Simply put, we as a club now have to get to that level to keep hold of top players. Jack is world class, that talent needs to play at the highest level so clubs already there will always identify that and look to sign them. Boyhood fan or not. Luckily, we have owners hellbent on taking us there. its just super frustrating that he was OUR poster boy. We had the hottest property with marketability like no other. City just took him like that and now that avenue of putting Villa on the map disappears. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: This is where I am, but if people want to boo then that's their right, and calling them pathetic is... pathetic IMO. Yea I wouldn't call them pathetic, they're just very frustrated at losing a great player, a great player who actually loved playing for us. It's really sad, but I understand his decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's not bizarre to be emotionally involved and be gutted/disappointed/angry etc I'm devastated that he's left. I felt sick seeing him in a Man City shirt. But I like to think on VT that we're a bit more logical and sensible and we can cut through that emotion to see the reason behind people's decisions. There's a difference between being emotional and angry and actually booing a player. it just seems bizarre to me after how sensational Grealish was for us and how he's left, that people would feel the need to boo him. If Grealish gets booed then there's no hope for anyone. People are entitled to do it, but I'm entitled to say I think it's pathetic When it comes to the Villa, I have absolutely no need or desire to cut through the emotion. The Villa is nothing but emotion. You are entitled to do so, but I point you to my previous analogy about «understanding» the pantomime villain. It just doesn’t seem very fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The bit about him knowing for months has been what's really wound me up. We know it happens, but it's ridiculous how flagrantly tapping up occurs these days. You just know the "banter" they have when they're lying around boozing on those yachts in Dubai in July. "let's count how many medals you got then brah!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumerican Posted August 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, Designer1 said: Its the OTT vitriolic anger and wanting him injured that I'll never be on board with. I've negotiated myself down to just wanting him to tread on the occasional upturned plug in his bare feet . Just imagining it makes me feel alive. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, lapal_fan said: You just know the "banter" they have when they're lying around boozing on those yachts in Dubai in July. "let's count how many medals you got then brah!" I'm sure it happens all the time on international duty as well. I don't think there was anything particularly unusual about this transfer other than Grealish being thick enough, even by footballer standards, to publicly acknowledge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumerican Posted August 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 I HOPE HE DIES his hair and it's not quite the colour he wanted resulting in another costly trip to the salon. 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Every world class footballer worth their salt negotiates release clauses these days. he could easily have insisted on an 80m release clause. Or a 70m release clause. He could have not signed a new contract at all and he'd be going for far less. Signing that contract has probably made us 20-30m. Why shouldn't the club be threatened with Legal action if they were refusing to accept a bid that met a contractual release clause?! I agree that we'd be far better with grealish and we'd have a chance of the top 6. But he's been offered essentially a premier league title, probably a cup and very possibly a champions league win. Not in 5 or 10 years IF everything goes absolutely perfectly for us. He's been offered it now. At the best club in Europe. Playing with some of the best players in Europe. For the best manager. Playing alongside his idol. Even if everything goes amazingly for Villa, we wouldn't be able to offer him what he's being offered now for 10 years. And the chances of even that are minute. It's not like he's **** us off for 50m to go to a club who have scraped into the champions league like Spurs or Leicester Harry Kane probably wishes he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted August 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) Jack groomed himself for this day and we was the conduit he used....nothing wrong with that as long as its not hidden under the veil of "a life time fan", "I love this club", "its all I ever wanted"......That has been well and truly trumped by a Catalan coach and a bag of Oil Money. Don't get me wrong, he was great for us, but he knew deep down where all this was going to end....This was not by chance, it's by design. I think Man City have been kept well in the loop of Jacks intentions, and I think the release clause was a softner for us to get well paid.....Aston Villa was on a sticky wicket with this one, they did all they could. I would think, Dean Smith and Christian Purslow, had a difficult time with all this, over a period of time...Jack knew he was going and engineered the move, since the Spurs interest...since then it was all a charade.....and I think thats what hurts most. I felt slightly uncomfortable listening to Jacks presser at Man CIty....Whether is was meant or not his reference to Pep's coaching skills and saying in 2 days i have seen things from him, i would not have thought of, kinda threw Dean under the bus. I have no animosity towards Jack, he's probably done ,what many of us would, but his harping on about being a villa fan, seems a tad disingenuous, to me.....He wants his cake and eat it. I would guess, he hasn't give us a second thought. Footballers have a career to manage, I understand that, but then don't try to understand the emotion we feel as fans.....because we are invested in that, they arn't. The best way they can endear themselves to us, is to play well as often as possible......don't try to be one of us, because your not.....at least we can then treat you all for what you are......Footballers. Edited August 10, 2021 by TRO 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Every world class footballer worth their salt negotiates release clauses these days. he could easily have insisted on an 80m release clause. Or a 70m release clause. He could have not signed a new contract at all and he'd be going for far less. Signing that contract has probably made us 20-30m. Why shouldn't the club be threatened with Legal action if they were refusing to accept a bid that met a contractual release clause?! I agree that we'd be far better with grealish and we'd have a chance of the top 6. But he's been offered essentially a premier league title, probably a cup and very possibly a champions league win. Not in 5 or 10 years IF everything goes absolutely perfectly for us. He's been offered it now. At the best club in Europe. Playing with some of the best players in Europe. For the best manager. Playing alongside his idol. Even if everything goes amazingly for Villa, we wouldn't be able to offer him what he's being offered now for 10 years. And the chances of even that are minute. It's not like he's **** us off for 50m to go to a club who have scraped into the champions league like Spurs or Leicester Not sure about that. There wasn't a clause in his old one, he had 4 years left, and we didn't want or need to sell. He'd have probably had to hand in a transfer request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Didn’t take him long to use all those blue hearts eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, The_Steve said: Didn’t take him long to use all those blue hearts eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Hanging with Lescott too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbs Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Interesting fact, if we were paid in £1 coins for Jack, it would be 280km high! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, El Zen said: When it comes to the Villa, I have absolutely no need or desire to cut through the emotion. The Villa is nothing but emotion. You are entitled to do so, but I point you to my previous analogy about «understanding» the pantomime villain. It just doesn’t seem very fun. If you're booing the pantomime villain then fine, but I think a lot of people aren't viewing it as theatre when they boo. They genuinely dislike someone for having done something that's actually quite understandable. Add to that that the person playing a pantomime villain is an actor playing a role, whereas footballers aren't actors. You're booing a real person for your entertainment. Which is fine if the player is deliberately playing the role (e.g. Troy Deeney) but if not, why do it? Especially when you'll be doing it alongside people who genuinely hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: If you're booing the pantomime villain then fine, but I think a lot of people aren't viewing it as theatre when they boo. They genuinely dislike someone for having done something that's actually quite understandable. Add to that that the person playing a pantomime villain is an actor playing a role, whereas footballers aren't actors. You're booing a real person for your entertainment. Which is fine if the player is deliberately playing the role (e.g. Troy Deeney) but if not, why do it? Especially when you'll be doing it alongside people who genuinely hate him. I’m sorry, but footballers are entertainers. Their frankly embarrassing wealth comes from the money we pay to be entertained by them, and the only return we get for that money is emotional. I do not feel the slightest bit sorry for footballers in Jack’s place being booed for their decisions. It’s a decision they’ve made and a situation they can handle. They should, frankly, accept that being booed and even genuinely disliked by opposition fans is part of the entertainment business they make their money in. If you take that out of football, it becomes very sterile very fast. Edited August 10, 2021 by El Zen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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