YouUnastanFren Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 11 hours ago, villa4europe said: Nope Our god and saviour, the man we just spent a month about moaning if you play we'll win the lot... When it mattered saka stepped up... He said he'd take one so are you saying Grealish should have gone against the manager's decision and attempted to wrestle Saka to the floor to get the ball off him to take a penalty before he could be stopped? I don't know if you've noticed but Grealish isn't exactly highly valued by this manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: So now the conspiracy can continue. "It's all because of the tweet" Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, WHY said: Do you think Southgate will be happy that Grealish has told the world he ignored him again, of course he won’t. Southgate has previous with Keane. Maybe he'll appreciate the Grealish tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, WHY said: Do you think Southgate will be happy that Grealish has told the world he ignored him again, of course he won’t. If Grealish is getting called out he has a right to respond with the truth. Southgate already said he made the decision about who takes the penalties. He didn't ignore Jack...he just made a different decision. I think Southgate will understand. Edited July 12, 2021 by Rolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 8 hours ago, deck said: I'm assuming the takers of the first five had been selected before the game began (hence the subs at the end). If Gareth Methodgate's got his pre-agreed, typed up in triplicate list, you can't just disregard it and barge in front (Jack couldn't anyway; he's not established enough yet in the England set-up to do that, and apparently has to walk on eggshells around Southgate). Keane comes out with some good stuff as a pundit, but when big games become tense he too often reverts to hackneyed real-men-step-up-and-take-control Old West gunfight-type stuff (him abandoning the Republic of Ireland squad in the 2002 World Cup over a spat with Mick McCarthy tends to work to undermine his authority here - especially since ROI had to face a penalty shoot-out in that tournament - against Spain in the round of 16 - and so Roy was AWOL when the key opportunity came there for him to lead by example and take one of the early penalties—or any of them!) yeah.....already responded to te arranged penalties, I got it wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: He said he'd take one so are you saying Grealish should have gone against the manager's decision and attempted to wrestle Saka to the floor to get the ball off him to take a penalty before he could be stopped? I don't know if you've noticed but Grealish isn't exactly highly valued by this manager. I take it back Madness that the manager sets the players and the order, never heard of that before And that's before you then look at the absolute insanity that is putting saka 5th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, The Other Mat said: Thinking about it, Keane left a World Cup tournament because he had a public spat with McCarthy. He hadn't even got the balls to figure stuff out and stay with the team. Blokes a hypocrite of the highest order. Not quite correct: he was told to go home by McCarthy in a private team meeting. Fair enough he refused to come back and it all became public after, but he didn’t walk out after a public spat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, sparrow1988 said: Southgate has previous with Keane. Maybe he'll appreciate the Grealish tweet. I’ve got all sorts of problems with Southgate’s management, but he took the flack for the choice of penalty takers, so fair play. There’s no denying that he has been successful in keeping a good team spirit. That has been his achievement but unfortunately that alone doesn’t win trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Rolta said: If Grealish is getting called out he has a right to respond with the truth. Southgate already said he made the decision about who takes the penalties. He didn't ignore Jack...he just made a different decision. I think Southgate will understand. I don't see anything wrong with what Jack has tweeted there, he even stuck up for "the Gaffer" saying he got a lot right in the tournament and last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, WHY said: Do you think Southgate will be happy that Grealish has told the world he ignored him again, of course he won’t. what's the worst that can happen? not like jack might have cost himself much england game time is it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Jack will know Keane from when he was here as number 2 under Lambert. Keane is also bitter about Jack chosing England. Nothing wrong with setting him straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: I’ve got all sorts of problems with Southgate’s management, but he took the flack for the choice of penalty takers, so fair play. There’s no denying that he has been successful in keeping a good team spirit. That has been his achievement but unfortunately that alone doesn’t win trophies. He has taken the team from being a laughing stock against Iceland to WC semi-finalists and Euros finalists in 5 years. I'm sure he's doing a bit more than keeping the lads' spirits up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: I'm sure in Keane's mind there's nothing violence or intimidation can't solve... I'd like to solve Roy Keane with violence. I doubt I could last 5 minutes in his presence without bursting his lips. Bellend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Madness that the manager sets the players and the order, never heard of that before I would say these days that’s what happens with every penalty shoot-out in professional football. Same as the nutritionist in that camp will have told Jack and Saka what to have for breakfast, lunch and dinner that day and it will have been different for both of them. When almost every detail is controlled, they aren’t going to let players choose penalties themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’m glad Grealish didn’t take a penalty and miss. Feel for Saka. He’s just a kid. Could you imagine the media and papers today and the crap they would have came away with. As @dont_do_it_doug. highlighted in another post elsewhere, they build you up to shoot you down. It's a blessing Grealish didn't take one, I am 100% certain today he would be public enemy number one had he done so and it went wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: There’s no denying that he has been successful in keeping a good team spirit. That has been his achievement but unfortunately that alone doesn’t win trophies. I think managing the media and keeping a good team spirit will get you 90% there with England (far better than a managerial genius who the media are set against) and he’s done well at both of those. But I think he froze last night. Shame but he’s going to be the manager for 2022 so nothing changing soon. After that I reckon he’ll move on (he planned to after last year’s Euros but with the WC a year away he’ll see out his contract I’m sure). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Adam2003 said: I would say these days that’s what happens with every penalty shoot-out in professional football. Same as the nutritionist in that camp will have told Jack and Saka what to have for breakfast, lunch and dinner that day and it will have been different for both of them. When almost every detail is controlled, they aren’t going to let players choose penalties themselves. I would have thought that they would have a rough idea as to who is going to take one and even the order but there would still be some sort of consultation and rejigging of it based on player feedback and feeling from the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, WHY said: Do you think Southgate will be happy that Grealish has told the world he ignored him again, of course he won’t. After his treatment of Jack in this tournament, I don't think Jack gives a ****. He has not looked a happy bunny throughout this tournament because that tw@t in the trench coat has cocked the whole thing up with his safety first descision making. I hope the idiot resigns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Good on Jack for standing up for himself 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Jack came on four minutes into extra time and pretty sure he had about five touches of the ball. He really didn’t have an opportunity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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