DaveAV1 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Not really going to get drawn in to the debate around who took penalties, who decided it and who bottled it. That’s just masking over the fact that Italy deserved to win and the much bigger picture. Getting to the final and losing was the absolute worst result possible for England because Southgate will keep his job and nothing will change. We’re winning nothing under this guy. Expect much of the same at the World Cup. Boring, defensive, turgid football. The problem is the FA, an organisation that is massively resourced, in every way and has only just managed to get us to our second final in 55 years. There is no measurement that can conclude that to be anything but failure on a grand scale. Let’s not forget that these are the clowns who build the national stadium millions over budget and years late. Did heads roll? During the last 55 years Denmark have been European champions, the French have revolutionised their football coaching set up and won the World Cup twice. The usual suspects Germany and Italy have continued to regularly win tournaments. Minor blips have been just that. Our rugby team have won the World Cup and continue to be a world power. The cricket team have won the World Cup in two different formats and produce great, exciting cricket. We even have one of, if not the best cycling teams in the world. So in one of the great sporting nations why does the football team consistently fail? The obvious answer is the people who run the sport. While they are allowed to continue to celebrate mediocrity and excuse failure, we will continue to win sweet FA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Just now, Follyfoot said: Never seen that show but from watching that I'm guessing "Number 6" prompted your reply. I had to watch 3 minutes of nutty shit to get there mind you . Fairplay. Your joke holds up and consider me informed about a new show . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: What does him being good enough to take penalties have to do with his bottle? What bottle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 6 hours ago, AVFCforever1991 said: Grealish isn't one to shy away from the spotlight, 100% he wants to take a pen Say that to Glenn Whelan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 6 hours ago, AVFCforever1991 said: Grealish isn't one to shy away from the spotlight, 100% he wants to take a pen Say that to Glenn Whelan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moustache of Teale Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 You can say that again to Glenn Whelan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Awol said: Hopefully his interest in joining a squad with Sterling is 0% after this tournament. Forget goal creating actions, the bloke wouldn’t pass him the salt at dinner. One heck of a sample of playing in a team that doesn’t look to you as it’s main creative outlet, though. The grass isn’t greener in Manchester. Great post and fingers crossed you’re right. Stay with us where you’re the talisman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post VillaJay Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Looking forward to seeing him back wearing our lion very soon... Collymore's been hinting Jack will stay a few times now. Edited July 12, 2021 by VillaJay 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, SuperTed said: Ha, that's another one as old as me that got Mr @Follyfoot joke. Good find Ted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 17 hours ago, villa4europe said: Win lose or draw I think there's gonna be some proper rage in here tonight Win 5-0 and it'll be imagine how many we could've scored... I think he'll get a shit 10 minutes when we're losing and playing badly, not be able to magic a rabbit out of his ass and get declared overrated and Southgate was right not to start him turns out.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, VillaJay said: Looking forward to seeing him back wearing our lion very soon... Collymore's been hinting Jack will stay a few times now. Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I’m glad this Euros is finally over, it’s been fun and all (in parts) but now we can look forward to Jack coming back and getting himself ready for the season. He’s raised his profile by doing very little, and will hopefully see that he’s best of staying at Villa to be the main man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OxfordVillan Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: Not really going to get drawn in to the debate around who took penalties, who decided it and who bottled it. That’s just masking over the fact that Italy deserved to win and the much bigger picture. Getting to the final and losing was the absolute worst result possible for England because Southgate will keep his job and nothing will change. We’re winning nothing under this guy. Expect much of the same at the World Cup. Boring, defensive, turgid football. Exactly this, spot on. England have just blown their best chance to win a major tournament, and most ppl this morning seem to be frothing at the mouth over who they think hasn’t got the cajones to take a penalty! Southgate tried to defend a 1-0 lead from the 2nd minute, and in doing so conceded every advantage and the initiative to Italy. He then subbed off an England captain and senior pro (champions league and premier league winner) and decided to leave the pressure situation to a raw 19yr old. People have lost sight over Southgates England, lost sight of the reality of how the games were actually won or lost, the performances. Croatia was a grind, acceptable because we didn’t look like conceding to what proved to be an ageing, past its best team. The Scotland game was abysmal and England could easily have lost that, never looked like winning. The Czech game was very similar to the Croatia game, but with the Czechs safe in the knowledge that they were through to KO stage regardless of result. The Germany game, England ended up fortunate. Fortunate that a German striker who would normally slot in the chance he had 99/100. Ukraine were a dreadful team, but at least England were encouraged enough to keep their foot on the gas and keep on the front foot, though it should be mentioned that we again encouraged them for the last 20mins of 1st half before the early 2nd half Maguire header that killed it for the Ukrainians. Denmark were the better team for an hour, but with them looking tired going into the last quarter of the game Southgate didn’t make the changes that could, perhaps should, have resulted in England not needing extra time to go through. And in extra time Denmark pretty much played with 9 men, and still we needed a dodgy penalty award to get us through. Then we have last night, the final. Apart from the opening 2mins England never looked like scoring, let alone winning. They gave Jorginho the freedom of midfield, barely getting close to him. He duly pretty much dictated play from there. Southgate just repeated the Croatia semifinal of 2018, and he’ll continue to do so if allowed. He’s not good enough. Wasn’t good enough for Middlesbrough ffs. He’s done OK transitioning from a very low point (Hodgson and then the Allydyce debacle), but England now need to get a next level manager in. I’ll tell you now that Dean Smith is twice the manager of Southgate, and if he has another step forward in terms of Villa’s league performance then I’d suggest he’ll be a front runner if people in charge want another Englishman for the top job. England would have won this tournament if Dean had been in charge of that group of players. You certainly wouldn’t have had to see the folly of England crowds getting excited at seeing pictures of a substitute (Grealish) warming up. End of rant. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 9 hours ago, burchy said: 15-20 mins for Grealish tonight was ridiculous, game was crying out for him after 50 odd minutes. The 2nd half, we were crying out for was someone to keep the ball, win some free kicks and go past a few players. Awful management and England got what they deserved in the end. Going 1-0 up after 2 mins threw England, that was the one thing they didn't plan for. Throw as many London, Liverpool and Manchester based players on the pitch as it is legal to do and see what happens is the underlying methodology it seems. Grealish on from the start would get an assist or penalty, yellow or red cards for Italy or a goal in the 120 mins, pretty much guaranteed. Southgate showed us who is boss though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 53 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Our rugby team have won the World Cup and continue to be a world power. The cricket team have won the World Cup in two different formats and produce great, exciting cricket. We even have one of, if not the best cycling teams in the world. So in one of the great sporting nations why does the football team consistently fail? The obvious answer is the people who run the sport. While they are allowed to continue to celebrate mediocrity and excuse failure, we will continue to win sweet FA. I think it's a bit unfair to compare the football team to the rugby / cricket teams. There's only about a dozen teams in the world that play rugby or cricket to a suitably competitive level, whereas there's probably 50+ football teams who can play at a reasonable level. I'd agree that England has underperformed given the quality of our league but there's still a LOT of teams that think they have a reasonable chance of winning the World Cup every time it comes around, so it's certainly no easy task. I was wondering last night whether England as a footballing nation might have turned a bit of a corner regarding the quality of their squad with the PL rule changes about home-grown players, and St George's Park opening about a decade ago. I don't know if it's just coincidence we have a strong and tight-knit bunch of young players coming through now or whether that's something that's going to become the new normal, but I certainly hope it's the latter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Southgate gave Jack around 20 minutes of extra time to win the game for us and then didn't give him the opportunity to hit home a penalty. It is almost like he would rather have risked defeat than given Jack the chance to be the match winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, VillaJay said: Collymore's been hinting Jack will stay a few times now. I would doubt he knows any more than you or I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, villa89 said: I would doubt he knows any more than you or I. He's literally mates with his dad and has asked him about Jack staying at Villa directly. He knows exactly what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 It’s not really much of stretch to think that Stan would have asked Jack about his future yesterday. He was stood speaking to him, I mean wouldn’t every one of you be asking the same question? I’d say that if Collymore is nailing his flag to this mast, he’s been told he’s staying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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