MotoMkali Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, R.Bear said: So perfect game management then? I'm glad we're in agreement. Maybe Southgate should have felt sorry for the Danes and let them have some of the ball, give them a chance. That's what to do in a major tournament semi-final with 10 minutes to go How was he to know they were going to miss a player for the last 15. What's more for the first 10 minutes of extra time they dominated. The only reason we looked comfortable is because I the end they couldn't press. There's a difference between getting a result and being correct. And people like Southgate and Steve Bruce are the living embodiments of that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: In the 2 easiest paths to the finals in history. The only easier ones were Croatia in 2018 and Portugal in 2016. You're genuinely embarrassing yourself now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: In the 2 easiest paths to the finals in history. The only easier ones were Croatia in 2018 and Portugal in 2016. Meh. This line is pretty silly IMO. You know who Denmark beat to get to this semi-final? Wales and the Czech Republic. Which is easier than Germany and Ukraine, because Germany. If Denmark had beaten us, would they all be sat round on DanishTalk saying how it didn't really count somehow because the fixtures were easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, maqroll said: It was a strategic move. Anyone who thinks it was "personal" is in fantasy land IMO. Out of likes, but exactly this, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, omariqy said: Where has he said that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Meh. This line is pretty silly IMO. You know who Denmark beat to get to this semi-final? Wales and the Czech Republic. Which is easier than Germany and Ukraine, because Germany. If Denmark had beaten us, would they all be sat round on DanishTalk saying how it didn't really count somehow because the fixtures were easier? They'd be saying they had a lucky route. Whilst getting to the finals is an accomplishment. Had we played any team with both a good squad and a competent manager ala Spain, Italy, Belgium, and Arguably Portugal and France we'd be talking about how the finals were completely different. Vindication isn't earned through results, it's earned through respect and performance. As soon as a Premier league club tries to poach Southgate maybe ill think he was semi-competent. Until that day though, I will think he got handed the most talented squad in the world, had the easiest routes to the finals, whilst all the other top teams were historically bad and he still bottles it. Edited July 8, 2021 by MotoMkali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: They'd be saying they had a lucky route. Whilst getting to the finals is an accomplishment. Had we played any team with both a good squad and a competent manager ala Spain, Italy, Belgium, and Arguably Portugal and France we'd be talking about how the finals were completely different. Vindication isn't earned through results, it's earned through respect and performance. As soon as a Premier league club tries to poach Southgate maybe ill think he was semi-competent. Until that day though, I will think he got handed the most talented squad in the world, had the easiest routes to the finals, whilst all the other top teams were historically bad and he still bottles it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 That's positive I suppose. Didn't Jack's dad tell everyone at Cheltenham he was off to Utd one year though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: That's positive I suppose. Didn't Jack's dad tell everyone at Cheltenham he was off to Utd one year though? @Fairy In Boots confirm?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: They'd be saying they had a lucky route. Whilst getting to the finals is an accomplishment. Had we played any team with both a good squad and a competent manager ala Spain, Italy, Belgium, and Arguably Portugal and France we'd be talking about how the finals were completely different. Vindication isn't earned through results, it's earned through respect and performance. As soon as a Premier league club tries to poach Southgate maybe ill think he was semi-competent. Until that day though, I will think he got handed the most talented squad in the world, had the easiest routes to the finals, whilst all the other top teams were historically bad and he still bottles it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: They'd be saying they had a lucky route. Whilst getting to the finals is an accomplishment. Had we played any team with both a good squad and a competent manager ala Spain, Italy, Belgium, and Arguably Portugal and France we'd be talking about how the finals were completely different. Vindication isn't earned through results, it's earned through respect and performance. As soon as a Premier league club tries to poach Southgate maybe ill think he was semi-competent. Until that day though, I will think he got handed the most talented squad in the world, had the easiest routes to the finals, whilst all the other top teams were historically bad and he still bottles it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, MotoMkali said: Because he hasn't shown contempt for Foden time and time again. Foden never featured at all, in 2 - 3 games before tonight, when Jack has, contemptuous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Foden never featured at all, in 2 - 3 games before tonight, when Jack has, contemptuous? No set a different standard for Jack than he had for everyone else. Foden has been poor for England. He was justified in not playing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted July 8, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2021 Here's a question for you: If Jack had a poor season this season because DS decided to focus more on defense than attack - completely stifling his game - but we ended up in the top 6.... ... would we be happy or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: Here's a question for you: If Jack had a poor season this season because DS decided to focus more on defense than attack - completely stifling his game - but we ended up in the top 6.... ... would we be happy or not? I'd be unhappy. Boring football is boring football. It's entertainment and that is what should come first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: I'd be unhappy. Boring football is boring football. It's entertainment and that is what should come first Lol no. Not at all. It’s a competition. Winning comes first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 hours ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said: First final for 55 years, cheer up you miserable **** That song is everything that's wrong with music summed up in 190 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Southgate is a lucky bastard!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 hours ago, MotoMkali said: They'd be saying they had a lucky route. Whilst getting to the finals is an accomplishment. Had we played any team with both a good squad and a competent manager ala Spain, Italy, Belgium, and Arguably Portugal and France we'd be talking about how the finals were completely different. Vindication isn't earned through results, it's earned through respect and performance. As soon as a Premier league club tries to poach Southgate maybe ill think he was semi-competent. Until that day though, I will think he got handed the most talented squad in the world, had the easiest routes to the finals, whilst all the other top teams were historically bad and he still bottles it. The same Portugal side that Germany put 4 past? , Wait, England beat Germany..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I thought it was weird that he subbed Jack back off, but it still fits in with the idea that he's worried about Jack's fitness and would rather save him for when we need to attack. I personally would have left him on to possess the ball and draw fouls to eat up the time, but obviously Southgate wants something different in his press. He's now been brought on twice in a row as the first substitute after 60 odd minutes when we needed a goal. It's clear that Southgate values his creative ability very highly. I assume he'll run with the same starting XI against Italy in the final, but as I see it, the only way Jack doesn't come on is if England are winning. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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