Thug Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes I was shocked by the sub but Jack shouldn't feel humiliated as it wasn't a reflection on his performance, he was just seeing out the game. Lol. He is more of a liability after being on the pitch for half the amount of time than the others? And he should be humiliated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, R.Bear said: Giving someone a "fair crack of the whip" has nothing to do with it. Southgate is making decisions to win games, not to appease a fanbase. And lo and behold, he's just got England to their second ever final. Villa fans really to stop sulking and accept this. England ran out the clock masterfully then. It’s not just villa fans,but fair dues Southgate has done it with the best squad In the tournament for a nation with a population of 58 million getting to a final in a major tournament should be the bare minimum, on the positive side I’m glad Jack isn’t being overused and will be back fit for us come start of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Denmark had England on the back foot after Jack went off. Running the ball into the corner and winning cheap throws is desperate stuff. Yeah passing the ball around for minutes, not letting the opponent anywhere near the ball, having the crowd shouting olés is the definition of "desperate stuff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Clearly doesn't trust him defensively and sees him as a luxury player which he probably is to some extent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Sterling was brilliant and his pace was vital if we were choosing to sit back and defend. He was a ball greedy word removed. If he actually passed the ball to someone in a better position, we could have scored 4!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 He has to take it on the chin as no doubt if it's close after an hour on Sunday Southgate will need Jack to come on again. Even though he was largely ignored he put one on a plate for Kane in stoppage time and had that shot, he will provide some crucial moment if given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojong Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: He wanted to go 5 at the back. To be fair, who else do you take off? This! I'm frustrated as hell. I'm not English and I want England to win mainly because of Villa. And yes, it was harsh. But I don't think it was really that "disrespectful". And I don't honestly think the rest of the world sees it as embarrassing. GS uses Grealish as offensive spark plug and that's his (important) role in this team. In this situation that role was not needed. He wanted to go to back five and in that formation he didn't see there was place for Grealish. Harsh for Jack but is it really that bad? Here the commentator saw it as strategic move and not as a personal humiliation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, DJ_Villain said: He was a ball greedy word removed. If he actually passed the ball to someone in a better position, we could have scored 4!!! Maybe. He was still excellent and a major reason we are in a final. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, gwi1890 said: It’s not just villa fans,but fair dues Southgate has done it with the best squad In the tournament for a nation with a population of 58 million getting to a final in a major tournament should be the bare minimum, on the positive side I’m glad Jack isn’t being overused and will be back fit for us come start of the season Jack will either take his experience from tbis tournament by becoming s shadow of himself, low on cobfidence OR absolutely rip the premier league a new arsehole. Im confident it will be the latter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: Southgate uses him like an NFL special teams. Bring him on if you need a goal. Once the goal was scored brought him off again for another defender. Not my style but England are in a tournament final for the first time since 1966. And to be fair, proceeded to run the ball into the corner for 15 minutes! I've never seen anything like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) It's funny, but when I seen Trippier was about to come on, for some reason Grealish came into my head as the player he would take off. Hindsight has given Southgate the benefit of the doubt. Edited July 7, 2021 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, DCJonah said: He wanted to go 5 at the back. To be fair, who else do you take off? You don't go 5 at the back for starters. If Denmark weren't already shattered by the 60th minute they'd have punished that chickenshit move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: He was a ball greedy word removed. If he actually passed the ball to someone in a better position, we could have scored 4!!! He is greedy BUT has so much output can get away with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, bojong said: This! I'm frustrated as hell. I'm not English and I want England to win mainly because of Villa. And yes, it was harsh. But I don't think it was really that "disrespectful". And I don't honestly think the rest of the world sees it as embarrassing. GS uses Grealish as offensive spark plug and that's his (important) role in this team. In this situation that role was not needed. He wanted to go to back five and in that formation he didn't see there was place for Grealish. Harsh for Jack but is it really that bad? Here the commentator saw it as strategic move and not as a personal humiliation. Being subbed as a sub is the ultimate humiliation within the game. Anyone who has played the game at a decent level will tell you that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Yeah, I hate it, Jack will hate it but it was obvious game management and no reflection on him. His poor face tho, he looked totally deflated during the celebrations, smile plastered on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, sheepyvillian said: It's funny, but when I seen Trippier was about to come on, for some reason Grealish came into my head as the player he would take off. Hindsight has given Southgate the benefit of the doubt. Before even extra-time I said out loud that if we went 2-1 up he'd take off Grealish and bring on a defender. It's just who he is - ultra defensive and a harbourer of petty grudges too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, Steero113 said: He’s just publicly humiliated him in front of the world. But but but villatalk said there's no agenda. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said: Courtesy of a ridiculous dive and an own goal, despite having majority of posession. Lol England were by the far the better team - who cares how they scored their goals. Denmark scored a free kick from 30 yards and what. Yea, bad man management. Jack looks like an idiot. But end of the day Southgate doesn’t care - results justify the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, hippo said: Wasn't an injury. The other coaching staff were giving Jack instructions right before he was subbed. In which case I really feel for him. Strategic or not, it just seems out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Not seeing many snaps of Grealish celebrating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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