R.Bear Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I'm confused by peoples confusion. Southgate uses him as a match winning sub. He feels like his impact is better for 30 minutes or so at the end of games. Grealish changing the game against Germany didnt mean that he would start this, it merely reaffirmed Southgate's decision in his mind. You may not agree with the decision but I don't understand why people are surprised that he isnt staring this game. If he does the same again today he still wont start in the semi. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wurzel said: I just fail to get excited about England with Southgate in charge. His Mrs says something similar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, R.Bear said: I'm confused by peoples confusion. Southgate uses him as a match winning sub. He feels like his impact is better for 30 minutes or so at the end of games. Grealish changing the game against Germany didnt mean that he would start this, it merely reaffirmed Southgate's decision in his mind. You may not agree with the decision but I don't understand why people are surprised that he isnt staring this game. If he does the same again today he still wont start in the semi. So how is he gonna get a starting position then. If he plays well Southgate keeps him on the bench because he's shown he's a great super sub. But if he plays poorly, then Southgate keeps him on the bench because well, he played poorly when he was given a chance. Edited July 3, 2021 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, R.Bear said: I'm confused by peoples confusion. Southgate uses him as a match winning sub. He feels like his impact is better for 30 minutes or so at the end of games. Grealish changing the game against Germany didnt mean that he would start this, it merely reaffirmed Southgate's decision in his mind. You may not agree with the decision but I don't understand why people are surprised that he isnt staring this game. If he does the same again today he still wont start in the semi. I'm not surprised. I'm just disappointed that a player who has an impact every time he comes on - who is rumoured to be a target for one of the world's richest clubs - isn't good enough for the starting 11. Does Dean Smith use him as a impact sub ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, R.Bear said: I'm confused by peoples confusion. Southgate uses him as a match winning sub. He feels like his impact is better for 30 minutes or so at the end of games. Grealish changing the game against Germany didnt mean that he would start this, it merely reaffirmed Southgate's decision in his mind. You may not agree with the decision but I don't understand why people are surprised that he isnt staring this game. If he does the same again today he still wont start in the semi. Don't think many are surprised, think it's more just a case that they're rightly criticising him for it. Grealish has got a proven track record of playing well for England when he starts as well. The fact that he comes on and changes games isn't because he's some sort of super sub, but simply because he's a damn good player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, R.Bear said: I'm confused by peoples confusion. Southgate uses him as a match winning sub. He feels like his impact is better for 30 minutes or so at the end of games. Grealish changing the game against Germany didnt mean that he would start this, it merely reaffirmed Southgate's decision in his mind. You may not agree with the decision but I don't understand why people are surprised that he isnt staring this game. If he does the same again today he still wont start in the semi. We would have the game won by HT if he was starting 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, R.Bear said: I'm confused by peoples confusion. Southgate uses him as a match winning sub. He feels like his impact is better for 30 minutes or so at the end of games. Grealish changing the game against Germany didnt mean that he would start this, it merely reaffirmed Southgate's decision in his mind. You may not agree with the decision but I don't understand why people are surprised that he isnt staring this game. If he does the same again today he still wont start in the semi. Grealish started the game before Germany, which was his only start. Which coincidentally is the only time England have scored in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Wurzel said: I just fail to get excited about England with Southgate in charge. I will be so delighted if we win the trophy but it does feel like hard work watching them. I suppose winning the trophy is all that matters but the journey to that lacks a bit of enjoyment. I assume this is how Arsenal fans in the George Graham 1-0 era…effective result wise but tough going watching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: So how is he gonna get a starting position then. If he plays well Southgate keeps him on the bench because he's shown he's a great super sub. But if he plays poorly, then Southgate keeps him on the bench because well, he played poorly when he was given a chance. Its irrelevant. All that matters to Southgate is that England win games. He will use whoever, however he feels that will give the team the best chance of winning. It really is that simple. He feels that Grealish is better utilised as a sub and that may never change but he wont care if they keep winning. I'm no Southgate fan at all but his reasoning makes sense. Of course he's one bad result from it blowing up in his face but when is that not the case for an England manager? Edited July 3, 2021 by R.Bear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mantis said: Don't think many are surprised, think it's more just a case that they're rightly criticising him for it. Grealish has got a proven track record of playing well for England when he starts as well. The fact that he comes on and changes games isn't because he's some sort of super sub, but simply because he's a damn good player. Different positions I know but Sancho has been poor for England yet gets a start, just feels injustice to Jack. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 How many minutes before a pundit says :- "England struggling to create" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 If Grealish played for Man City, Man United, or Chelsea he would be starting no doubt, and there woud be none of this talk of him being a super sub, I have absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever. Last time I suggested this people replied back with the lame excuse that Mings was starting, well difference is that with Mings there aren't equivalents in his position to the likes of Mount, Foden, and Sterling all of whom will get talked up by the media no matter what, so easier to start him although as soon as Maguire is fit again Mings loses his place. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I really hope we don’t win the euros tbh. Can’t stand this man being in charge. If we win it’s no testament to him. Another super easy run (please don’t pretend this Germany team is actually any good). We will get to the final no doubt and I suspect be destroyed by Italy. But that probably keeps him in a job for 2 more tournaments. Sigh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, WHY said: If he’s shins are still an issue, he shouldn’t even be there imo. Southgate had to take him, because he was taking Maguire and Henderson who weren’t fit, and he knows there would be a backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 It made me laugh when Shearer said maybe Gareth doesn't trust him defensively. Do these pundits even look at the stats?! They're freely available and they'd help them to not look like complete idiot's on national TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, useless said: If Grealish played for Man City, Man United, or Chelsea he would be starting no doubt, and there woud be none of this talk of him being a super sub, I have absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever. Nonsense. TAA couldnt get into the team. Rashford doesnt start. Foden has barely played. Amongst others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I still think they’re managing his fitness to some degree. He played in both friendlies then had to miss a training session or two. Either way, I’m past getting bothered by it. England stand a chance of winning a major tournament and two Villa players have played their parts significantly. I’m proud of them both and would love it if they both returned to the club with winners medals. Let’s just enjoy it! They certainly will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted July 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) No it's not nonsense Trent's place is taken by a Chelsea, player, Rashford plays the same position as Sterling a Manchester City player and Foden has started more than Grealish despite not being as good as him. If James Reece played for a midtable club he wouldn't be starting ahead of Alexander-Arnold, if Mount played for us and Grealish played for Chelsea then there's no way that Mount would be starting ahead of Grealish. Edited July 3, 2021 by useless 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rodders Posted July 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2021 Shut up with the conspiracy theories you unbelievable moaning wazzocks. His fitness is being managed and he has had a great impact from the bench. We also have other players like Foden Mount Sterling and Rancho and Saka who are quite good. He is not on some ethereal plane beyond the reach of human kind. He is a talented player. Our talented player and he is competing with other talented players, those who have already done it for England for longer. Get a grip. I would like to see him start but him not is also explainable. Fwiw I think After the tournament he will become a regular starter, but Southgate, like many other managers aren't going to drastically alter their approach in a tournament. I have not been enamoured with our performances generally, but the Germany game was very good. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 1 minute ago, useless said: No it's not nonsense, maybe too much of a nuanced point for some to understand... You honestly think that Southgate wants to start Grealish but doesnt because he thinks "no way, he plays for Aston Villa, he cant be that good". If you actually believe that then I've got some magic beans to sell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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