HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: You only have to take 5 minutes to watch the markets whenever one of these 'stories' crawls out the woodwork. It's not exactly a conspiracy theory up there with the magic bullet. Of course they benefit from it in multiple ways, clickbait & viewing figures inc. But the idea that just because SkyBet aren't owned by Sky Group anymore that there aren't strong ties between the two is beyond naïve. It's a denial of human nature. Flutter Entertainment, in its current form, came initially out of the merger between PaddyPower and Betfair, then renamed Flutter, and then the merger between Flutter and Stars Group, which was the owner of the Skybet brand. It's a massive company, with a market cap ten times larger than William Hill. They have three huge UK brands, which clearly they *could* merge, if they wanted to. So why don't they? Well, I guess the reason Skybet hasn't been merged into the PaddyPower brand is that it is preferred by punters, who consider it the leading online brand. Presumably that, in turn, is helped by the confusion over the separation between the broadcaster and the betting firm, which not only share the same name and font in their logo, but also share affiliate links through the website; the betting brand is able to leech off the 'journalistic' kudos of the broadcaster, and the broadcaster is rewarded with huge amounts of advertising spend. As you say, the ties are as tight as they can be, while still being in separate legal entities. In general, gamblers should assume that bookmakers will find and exploit literally any possible way to rip them off that isn't explicitly forbidden in legislation and regulation. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanmac Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Just now, maqroll said: I wonder what an all-time "One Club Starting XI" would look like... Maldini Totti Le Tissier Raul? Iniesta help me out, guys Giggs, Scholes, Terry, Gerrard... Youre missing all the easy ones! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 25, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 minute ago, maqroll said: I wonder what an all-time "One Club Starting XI" would look like... Maldini Totti Le Tissier Raul? Iniesta help me out, guys depends how pedantic you want to be. iniesta for example is not a one club man because he's playing in japan now, but whether you count that or not... totti is probably the first name on the team sheet there though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Pissflaps said: So it's 50/50 then basically if he stays 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, KAZZAM said: Where's he gonna fit in at Man City exactly? Foden's spot on the left? De Bruyne's spot in the middle? Just can't see it at all. No, those two would be make weights in their deal for Super Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, nick76 said: We are going to be paying probably about the same In footballing sense that isn’t guaranteed elsewhere. Players flop, restricted game time and end up moving to a lower club, no idea how he’d fit at Man City. He could turn into a KDB there. At Villa, footballing wise he definitely keeps growing In terms of trophies, yes probably Does anybody care about this? Next season somebody will probably beat this…I’m not sure this is a reason. Obviously. More chance there than here. They may fall away like Liverpool though, they had a spell like that but yes they win things Great Are you sure? I’m not questioning your loyalty to Villa but thinking his best option to leave Villa is bizarre both for him and us Villa fans. It’s simply not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: It literally isn't. I think prize money is only a few mill different per place so we'd have to lose more places than there are in the league for that to be true and I don't see us finishing -10th with him or 40th without. My bad I was factoring in relegation without him and Europe with him. So it's like 50 mil for Europe + an extra 40 mil in prize money from the prem. So 90 mil. And the difference between the equal share and parachute payments is 40 mil in the first year and close to 60 by year 3. So 130 mil essentially from one season of football. Not factoring in endorsements. My bad. Sometimes I make mistake in remembering things. But either way that is the minimum fee to get us to negotiate because that's his competitive value to us as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Just a quick thought, I actually reckon someone like Terry, being a one club playing man, could be a good voice in Jacks ear here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Just a quick thought, I actually reckon someone like Terry, being a one club playing man, could be a good voice in Jacks ear here. Didn't he play for us and Chelsea? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Didn't he play for us and Chelsea? Yeah, but he pretty much played for us a a last saloon hurrah, at the end of his career, with a view to coaching. Totally different league as well. Edited June 25, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Just now, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Yeah, but he pretty much played for us a a last saloon hurrah, at the end of his career, with a view to coaching. Oh yeah, I know that--he's not a one club man though, by definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 minute ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Oh yeah, I know that--he's not a one club man though, by definition. Stop trying to ruin my optimisim with facts.... lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, maqroll said: I wonder what an all-time "One Club Starting XI" would look like... Maldini Totti Le Tissier Raul? Iniesta help me out, guys Don't forget: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 The club dont need to sell and hes on a long-term contract but if Grealish wants to go and he might not, can the club stand in his way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Can send Jack a question on Englands Instagram with Josh Denzel. Interview is at 4pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Just now, Lord Willard said: Can send Jack a question on Englands Instagram with Josh Denzel. Interview is at 4pm Wrong day for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: My bad I was factoring in relegation without him and Europe with him. So it's like 50 mil for Europe + an extra 40 mil in prize money from the prem. So 90 mil. And the difference between the equal share and parachute payments is 40 mil in the first year and close to 60 by year 3. So 130 mil essentially from one season of football. Not factoring in endorsements. My bad. Sometimes I make mistake in remembering things. But either way that is the minimum fee to get us to negotiate because that's his competitive value to us as a team. Fair enough. I wasn't even thinking about money from Europe tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I think the only question Jack would need to ask himself is can this project go further? And we all know it most definitely can, I can't imagine he'd leave while we're on an upward trajectory. It made sense at times where we were in dire straights, strapped for cash and looking down. Think he'll sign a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, maqroll said: I wonder what an all-time "One Club Starting XI" would look like... Maldini Totti Le Tissier Raul? Iniesta help me out, guys X X - Baresi - Puyol - Maldini Scholes - Le Tissier X Reus - Giggs Totti For GK I have no clue For rb Gary Neville? But he seems not good enough. You could go Puyol as he used to play there and put someone like Tony Adams as Cb. For RW would be Messi if he stays. No Iniesta or Xavi as they both played for other clubs after leaving Barca. Gerrard play for LA galaxy. Raul played for Schalke. Iker Casilla played for Porto. Reus can play he won't leave dortmund imo Edited June 25, 2021 by MotoMkali 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Dave-R said: What planet are you on I still wouldn't, I have loyalty to our captain, he's ours he ain't going anywhere ever till he's dead mate and even then he can have a plot on the grass somewhere. Love this one I feel like now we are pressured to actually sign some absolute monsters of players to ensure we break top four and to match up with JG quality e.t.c... we really have to move into fifth gear and go sign some of the marquee ballers but we aint even in Europe so thats gonna be a struggle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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