Steero113 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: I do not see this myself. Granted it was a touch before my lifetime, so I cannot judge properly. I consider Gascoigne more unreliable and unprofessional on the pitch. A moments player, so to speak. Someone who would go missing for large portions of a game and then pop up with a moment of absolute skill to wow. Jack drives a team, demands a standard. He is constant and relentless threat. Jack is an absolute athlete too. Would really like to hear peoples views on why the comparison is apt though. As I do not really know much about Gazza, other than the sad stuff. You clarify there that it was before your time but to give you a taste of how good Gazza was he ran the entire show in a world cup semi final against a far superior team in West Germany. We 100% should have won that game and were desperately unlucky. He was 23. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Posted June 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2021 Jose from today's Times on picking Jack: When I think of England’s performance in the 0-0 draw with Scotland, the word that comes to mind is “shy”. A shy team. I don’t think that’s what Gareth Southgate wanted — you don’t pick Reece James and Luke Shaw at full back to be cautious — but this is what happened, even becoming a fear of defeat. It was a team without the thing that Jack Grealish has — “Give me the ball and I will resolve this” — which is why, I believe, he has to start against the Czech Republic. I don’t like to compare too much, because Luís Figo is on a different level, but, like Figo, Grealish has that quality to take the ball, to be brave. Grealish was not amazing against Scotland but even in flashes in the last ten minutes, how many times did he demand the ball? How many times was he fouled? How many one-v-ones did he create? England need this. I like Phil Foden a lot, I like Jadon Sancho, but, for this game, Grealish brings a different level of confidence. The guy is brave. The guy never played a European match for his club, Aston Villa, but he comes into the national team and is fearless. He risks. He gambles. He loses the ball. He creates. He kicks people. People kick him. He creates instability in opponents. He gets lateral free kicks around the box, and England are powerful at set pieces. Grealish would be in my team against the Czech Republic, in a game I expect England to win. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steero113 said: You clarify there that it was before your time but to give you a taste of how good Gazza was he ran the entire show in a world cup semi final against a far superior team in West Germany. We 100% should have won that game and were desperately unlucky. He was 23. I've seen the Italia 90' doc. Was in tears. Might search out that whole game. Found this youtube clip I am going to watch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OxfordVillan Posted June 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: I do not see this myself. Granted it was a touch before my lifetime, so I cannot judge properly. I consider Gascoigne more unreliable and unprofessional on the pitch. A moments player, so to speak. Someone who would go missing for large portions of a game and then pop up with a moment of absolute skill to wow. Jack drives a team, demands a standard. He is constant and relentless threat. Jack is an absolute athlete too. Would really like to hear peoples views on why the comparison is apt though. As I do not really know much about Gazza, other than the sad stuff. I’m afraid to say that you’re completely wrong about Paul Gascoigne, and to be fair you do allude to him being before your lifetime. A troubled human, yes he was. Affected by the adoration and unable live with being under the microscope. But “a moments” player? Get out of here. He was an unbelievable player who drove his teams forward. You should know that by Euro 96 he was on the decline, his best years were before that tournament. It was his enthusiasm that done for him, with an ill judged tackle in an FA Cup final causing him a serious injury from which he never really recovered, both mentally and physically. Paul Gascoigne was an immense talent in the too short time we got to watch him. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: I do not see this myself. Granted it was a touch before my lifetime, so I cannot judge properly. I consider Gascoigne more unreliable and unprofessional on the pitch. A moments player, so to speak. Someone who would go missing for large portions of a game and then pop up with a moment of absolute skill to wow. Jack drives a team, demands a standard. He is constant and relentless threat. Jack is an absolute athlete too. Would really like to hear peoples views on why the comparison is apt though. As I do not really know much about Gazza, other than the sad stuff. Wayne Rooney has said of Jack: "reminds me of the legend I watched at Everton." Rooney explained: "Jack Grealish is the closest thing I've seen to Gazza on a football pitch. "He has a lot to do to reach Gazza's levels but his style of play, the way he takes the ball and runs with it in a way that is so awkward to play against, his sheer confidence on the field -- it all reminds me of the legend I watched at Everton, and then trained with when I joined their first-team squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said: I’m afraid to say that you’re completely wrong about Paul Gascoigne, and to be fair you do allude to him being before your lifetime. A troubled human, yes he was. Affected by the adoration and unable live with being under the microscope. But “a moments” player? Get out of here. He was an unbelievable player who drove his teams forward. You should know that by Euro 96 he was on the decline, his best years were before that tournament. It was his enthusiasm that done for him, with an ill judged tackle in an FA Cup final causing him a serious injury from which he never really recovered, both mentally and physically. Paul Gascoigne was an immense talent in the too short time we got to watch him. Couldn't have put it better. Gazza, in his prime, wasn't a luxury player: there's no way that would've flown in the Newcastle team he entered as a teenager. I know it's a stereotype, but they demanded graft and that's what they got from him. Later on his career, at Rangers and Boro, he worked and worked. For all of his hijinks, his energy levels were off the chart (the two might be connected!). At Italia 90, I'm sure I heard that he played one touch or head tennis for so long that he and those who played with him with sore the next day. We all know the sad mental impact the game had on him, but his workmate shouldn't be underestimated. I think this is the mistake Southgate is making with Jack: he's falling into the typical (if inaccurate) view that Jack is a luxury player, when the truth, like Gazza, is that our struggles without him were because of the absence of his grit and desire, as well as his creativity. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Maybe public England have had enough of this shit and have made Southgate remove mount to get Grealish starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: I've seen the Italia 90' doc. Was in tears. Might search out that whole game. Found this youtube clip I am going to watch... Watching that at 1.5x, I really do no see the comparisons. Jack is a far superior 'consistent' dribbler and passer. God I'm so nostalgic for that era though. Love the aesthetic. Clips I've seen of Best are closer. I say without shame. Of course I think that I should be England first and foremost but I will be really upset if Jack does not start tonight. Sad that it will make such a difference to my night whether Jack starts or not, but this is true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 10 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: No-one should be assured of a first team at club or international level, they have to earn it with performances on the pitch No-one SHOULD be but unfortunately some ARE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: No-one SHOULD be but unfortunately some ARE Southgate's attempts to impose some sort of discipline on whatever imagined slight Jack is meant to have done will ultimately cost him his job. You're right, although he campaigns on this idea that folks are there on merit, the fact is that he has his group of untouchables (part of this is from his views on attitude and workrate, and the other part is from his knowledge of them from U21s). Southgate is exhibiting all the classic signs of confirmation bias. Edited June 22, 2021 by KevinRichardsonsMoustache 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted June 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2021 If Jack does not start tonight Safegate should be done for treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tomav84 Posted June 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2021 starting tonight but that was according to villareport so who the **** knows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: Sorry I'm out of likes but this just made my day mate, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigy1874 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, tomav84 said: starting tonight but that was according to villareport so who the **** knows It's staggering that some folk still don't understand what villareport is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Just now, Craigy1874 said: It's staggering that some folk still don't understand what villareport is I got fooled by this one too. It's an "in joke"... Just roll with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Phil Silvers said: Sorry I'm out of likes but this just made my day mate, cheers. Tell me about. I tried to talk myself round before the match against Scotland but I was all bile inside and moping about when chatting to local mates about England. Absolutely buzzing for tonight's game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: Tell me about. I tried to talk myself round before the match against Scotland but I was all bile inside and moping about when chatting to local mates about England. Absolutely buzzing for tonight's game now. Same here bud, hope he blows the Czechs away. This wasn't supposed to be but it's looking like the toughest game in the group now, so glad we gave the points on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, CarryOnVilla said: I’m so glad I’m not English It takes a certain strength of character, fortitude is important. It’s only really a sense of humour that sees us through the darkest of days though. We bloody well need one of those. What other reason could there possibly be to have The Emu as our national team manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted June 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2021 If just England had a manager like the danish national coach Kasper Hjulmand who is attacking minded and gives freedom to his players...but Im glad they haven't as he is our, the danish, manager 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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