birdman Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tom13 said: If people don't want to believe there's been an issue there then that's up to them. Some people just can't see something that's so obviously there. You're suggesting that there is CURRENTLY an issue (contrary to what Southgate and Grealish say) Most people would agree there HAVE been issues In THE PAST likely relating to Jack's off field behaviour. Myself and others are suggesting there aren't any current issues and that Jack has been selected on merit and has since built up a good relationship with Southgate. We're never going to agree obviously so should just put this one to bed until such time there is additional evidence one way or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, blandy said: For some reason, some people are so desperate to believe that Gareth Southgate is just a bitter clint with a chip on his shoulder that they're willing to ignore all evidence to the contrary. what is that evidence? Well, obviously he’s selected him for the squad. And he’s spent ages watching Jack play, talking to him in the stands when he was injured. He started him in the two friendlies and was about to bring him on just when Sterling scored. Jack himself has praised how GS has been towards him and has focused him on what he needs to do. He was included when Sancho was left out on Sunday. This thread is completely mental. Yes absolutely I’d have a fully fit Jack in the starting 11, but starting the tournament with Sterling and Kane who have been scoring for fun in recent England games and who are England’s 2 most capped squad members was possibly cautious, possibly sound management. Playing Sterling will have given him a big confidence boost, particularly as he then scored the winner. Foden on the right was a decent choice. He’s a fabulous player. ”I think he should have played Jack” is a fine and fair view. ”I think GS is bitter, has an agenda, hates Jack and hates Villa” is paranoid delusional. Very sensible post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, birdman said: You're suggesting that there is CURRENTLY an issue (contrary to what Southgate and Grealish say) Most people would agree there HAVE been issues In THE PAST likely relating to Jack's off field behaviour. Myself and others are suggesting there aren't any current issues and that Jack has been selected on merit and has since built up a good relationship with Southgate. We're never going to agree obviously so should just put this one to bed until such time there is additional evidence one way or the other. That's what I hate about online debates, can come across like you're really hating on each other as it's difficult to sense the tone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted June 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2021 Those who think Southgate is out his depth like me want to see Brazil 82 flair on the pitch and excitement from the crowd. This means playing Jack. Let's be honest England are not going to win the Euros like Brazil never won the 82 World Cup but that team is remembered forever. England have players in attack and a weaker defence so let's just go for it and entertain the nation. No Jack No Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Can we take a moment out to have a chuckle that Chelsea are now 'favourites' to sign Jack this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tom13 said: That's what I hate about online debates, can come across like you're really hating on each other as it's difficult to sense the tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, rubberman said: Can we take a moment out to have a chuckle that Chelsea are now 'favourites' to sign Jack this summer. They don't need him But if there was a club to chuck £100m+ about then Chelsea are probably as likely as anyone Spent over £200m last summer didn't they? Including thiago silva on a free With the squad they've got they don't need 5 players they just need 1 or 2, would say that a proper 30 goal a season striker should be their priority though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, osmark86 said: No reactions left but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I'm sorry but there's evidence he has an issue with Villa, and Villa fans. Quote I suppose on that you’re referring to Mason, whose only crime is not to be Jack at the moment," Southgate, in conversation with The Telegraph , joked. "I'm also aware I should talk about Mason because then it keeps the memes going of me talking about Mason," the England boss added. "So we have got to fulfill all those requirements just to keep the Villa fans happy, especially." https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-aston-villa-southgate-19265589 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I still think we're quite likely to see a fair bit of him. He's still not training normally, and he was icing his shins when he came off in the friendlies. He's not fully recovered so it makes sense not starting someone in a competitive game when you know they *will* have to get taken off. We saw he was almost certainly coming on for an unimpressive Sterling until he got a goal. He might not start against Scotland, but I'm sure he'll get a run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, S-Platt said: Those who think Southgate is out his depth like me want to see Brazil 82 flair on the pitch and excitement from the crowd. This means playing Jack. Let's be honest England are not going to win the Euros like Brazil never won the 82 World Cup but that team is remembered forever. England have players in attack and a weaker defence so let's just go for it and entertain the nation. No Jack No Party. The 1954 Hungarians, the 1970 and 82 Brazillians and the 74 Dutch team., yes I'd rather see England play with flair and loose than play the negative crap we showed against Croatia. When you have a player of the technical ability of Grealish and leave him out it doesnt sit right with me. Its like Brazil leaving out Pele or Zico in 82. the netherlands leaving out Cruyff. I'm not placing Grealish in that league but we'll never know unless he gets a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tom13 said: That's what I hate about online debates, can come across like you're really hating on each other as it's difficult to sense the tone Nah it's all good! Well one thing for sure is that we'll all know soon enough what the crack is. My one hope for this tournament is that at some point Southgate takes the handbrakes off and let's some of the players express themselves to do what they do best. I would like to look back on at least one of the games and say that was one hell of a match! Preferably with Jack assisting or scoring the winner! But even just to compete and excite in loss would be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 46 minutes ago, Tom13 said: If people don't want to believe there's been an issue there then that's up to them. Some people just can't see something that's so obviously there. Or you could just believe Jack himself, who says there is NO issue, and take off the tinfoil hat? I'd be sick and tired of being incessantly hounded by media and Villa fans as well. to be fair, i'd handle it worse than Southgate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, rubberman said: Can we take a moment out to have a chuckle that Chelsea are now 'favourites' to sign Jack this summer. How does this work. Jack isnt for sale, they havent made an offer like city and united but they are now favourites. If you say it does that just make it true? I am now favourite to get Margot Robbie pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I'm sorry but there's evidence he has an issue with Villa, and Villa fans. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-aston-villa-southgate-19265589 Huh? In my view, this is evidence that villa fans look like idiots, and he is taking the piss. ( In jest ) He wouldn't have brought up Villa fans in the first place, if we weren't crying all over social media, and hurling personal insults and abuse at him. Gets called things like a " nonce " as a throwaway comment just because people aren't getting what they want, how they want it, or when they. Does this seem like normal behaviour to you? The fact that grown men feel justified in throwing extreme vitriol at a manager, over a player, is bizarre. I'll say it again, the irony, that some of these " fans " are the same ones who go into meltdown if people ever dared criticise things such as Deans tactics/selections in some games ( none of it personal ). Yet have morphed into online bullies and thugs, over Jack, is again, BIZARRE. The same ones who claim we should be easy with what we say online, as it hurts players/managers feelings etc. You've all turned into some kind of savage mob, where all common sense and decency has left the building. It's like some sort of cult. Imagine if it was Dean Smith? Edited June 15, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Blandy's gone from talking up Nuno's football to defending Safegate on Grealish. Think it's time to call the doctors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Or you could just believe Jack himself, who says there is NO issue, and take off the tinfoil hat? They seemed to have a nice long chat a couple of times when Jack was injured and Southgate was watching our games, too. Not what I'd expect if there was actually a rift rather than Southgate not risking a player who's not fully fit yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Or you could just believe Jack himself, who says there is NO issue, and take off the tinfoil hat? I'd be sick and tired of being incessantly hounded by media and Villa fans as well. to be fair, i'd handle it worse than Southgate. Jack doesn't want to ruin his chance of being selected does he...Southgate has probably never had the balls to tell Jack there was an issue anyway, so he'd probably be none the wiser. Southgate used to be scared of Keane in the ITV studio, he's not a fan of confrontation. Edited June 15, 2021 by Tom13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom13 Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Nothing makes me laugh quite like 'Gareth Southgate has told Jack Grealish where he needs to improve' Edited June 15, 2021 by Tom13 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I much rather when Jack is playing games. When he isn't, it's either because the manager has a personal vendetta against him or he is addicted to whores, sleeping pills and crack. Jack has said himself that there is no issue between him and Southgate. Southgate has said there is no issue between them. At the same time, on here we've got posts that belong on QAnon. Southgate decided Sterling was better suited to play against Croatia and his decision was vindicated. Sterling got the winner. There is no evidence of an issue. Just like there was no evidence for the addiction to drugs and hookers. Well the drugs anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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