Tez500 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: I just hope Jack and Mings dont get scapegoated for England's inevitable disappointment. Ming's is already being lined up before a ball has been kicked. Apparently he is a Sunday League player with a left foot reading Twitter. All the journalists jumping in too saying we can't trust Mings, and have to play Shaw/Walker/anyone else out of position in a 3 instead. All very frustrating, every CB we have taken is liable to a mistake, including golden boy Maguire. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, useless said: England haven't got much choice but to play with two DMs as that's all that's available, try playing with Mount and Grealish as part of a midfield three and any half decent team would take advantage as it would leave England too exposed in the middle of the park, would be like Villa trying to play Grealish and Buendia as part of a midfield three, teams would just walk through us. Bellingham is the only player that really allows England to play with just one DM, as he's box to box, him alongside Rice, and Mount is probably the best central midfield, put Grealish out wide, but if Grealish isn't used out wide I'd have him in midfied ahead of Mount. I don't agree with this. Mount has played for Chelski as an "8" and is very capable in that role. Even when he has played as a more offensive role he still does defensive work. Equally, Jack has played as an "8" for us in the past in a 4-3-3 and has done really well with decent defensive work, although I prefer to see him operate further forward. I do agree that Bellingham has looked decent in that role as well and looks like a great talent for such a young kid! So much offensive talent, its just a shame that Safegate doesn't know how to use it and has tried to play more progressive football in the build up to get his formation/combinations right going into this tournament. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tez500 said: Ming's is already being lined up before a ball has been kicked. Apparently he is a Sunday League player with a left foot reading Twitter. All the journalists jumping in too saying we can't trust Mings, and have to play Shaw/Walker/anyone else out of position in a 3 instead. All very frustrating, every CB we have taken is liable to a mistake, including golden boy Maguire. He'll never have a better stage to disprove this assessment though. he can get through a tournament without an brain freezes. If he can just keep his head on the game and not get tangled up with any opposition attackers, he could show them all that he has the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tez500 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: He'll never have a better stage to disprove this assessment though. he can get through a tournament without an brain freezes. If he can just keep his head on the game and not get tangled up with any opposition attackers, he could show them all that he has the lot. If, and it's a big if, Southgate gives him the chance. For me he has to play 4 at the back, all the players play in a four for the club teams. I hate this round peg, square holes thing he seems to do all the time. Was the same when he kept talking up Trent as a right Midfielder, if Klopp doesn't then Southgate shouldn't either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Not sure if Grealish has played as an '8' as such for us, maybe in the championship, but even then I'm not sure if you could say he was playing as a true '8'. Mount has played more of a traditional central midfielder for Chelsea this season, but he's still been playing as an attacking midfielder for the most part, not a '8' or a box to box midfielder, usually he's plays ahead Kante and Jorginho, or Kante and Kovacic, which allows him to concentrate on the attacking side of the game knowing he's got those more defensive minded players behind him. Playing Mount and Grealish in a central midfield three would be naive to the exreme, needs to be one or the other alongside either two DMs. or one DM and Bellingham. Would be better if Bellingham wasn't the only box to box midfield in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 On 09/06/2021 at 20:21, useless said: At somewhere like Man City he can triple his wages, play with some of the best players in the world for one of the best teams in the world and some might say for one of the best managers in the world, and he'd also be challenging for titles, domestic cups, and the European Cup with a realistic chance of winning any one of them, he could win more trophies next season than we've won as a club in the last thirty plus years. So I don't think we can rule out the possibility of him leaving. Everyone seems to completely sidestep the fact we would have to accept a bid, as if that’s a foregone conclusion when it’s by far the least likely aspect to this. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 54 minutes ago, useless said: Not sure if Grealish has played as an '8' as such for us, maybe in the championship, but even then I'm not sure if you could say he was playing as a true '8'. Mount has played more of a traditional central midfielder for Chelsea this season, but he's still been playing as an attacking midfielder for the most part, not a '8' or a box to box midfielder, usually he's plays ahead Kante and Jorginho, or Kante and Kovacic, which allows him to concentrate on the attacking side of the game knowing he's got those more defensive minded players behind him. Playing Mount and Grealish in a central midfield three would be naive to the exreme, needs to be one or the other alongside either two DMs. or one DM and Bellingham. Would be better if Bellingham wasn't the only box to box midfield in the squad. I think England should play 4231 You have Rice and Mount in the 2, Jack, Foden and another (I’d go Sancho, but could easily do Rashford or Sterling) in the 3 behind Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2021 The 'best team in the world' to a Villa supporter is definitely not Manchester Blue, no where near on so many counts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BleedClaretAndBlue Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 Every report is how Villa will find it hard to keep Grealish, etc. When in fact we’ve never been in a better position. We’re clearly acting like a big club again now with hardnosed owners. 5 year contract is bulletproof without a release clause. This isnt just any mercenary player, its someone who’s entire bloodline is ingrained in AVFC. Lest we forget the last time we built a side to challenge the top 4, it was Man City who came along with all their cheatcodes and derailed us massively to the tune of about 10 years. We’ll be damned if we let that happen again, surely we’ve learned. Big clubs trying to get somewhere fast do not sell off the most valuable asset its ever likely to have. Even if Jack really really wanted the move you know you can say sorry Jack, not this year. Lets see what we do in the league this season. Its a no lose situation for the club as he’s still going to give everything and he’d still have 3 years to run on his deal and would lose no value whatsoever. We’re in a fantastic position. Especially seeing Jackmania blow up like it is now. The guy is a brand, whilst at Aston Villa. He is Mr. Aston Villa. Id expect the club to gain a lot of new, young, impressionable fans after the Euro’s too. Jack is really putting his club back on the map here and im sure the big wigs know it. Absolutely priceless. I wouldnt even accept £250m for him its just not worth it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2021 I don't really care if Jack plays or not. The only thing I am interested in is how Southgate is going to play the PIVOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2021 I don't think it's at all bad that Sterling starts ahead of Jack - if Sterling deserves to start then pressure's on him to perform. He performs then that's good for England. He **** the dog then it's good for Jack, who you would think comes on and takes his chance. He could easily end up billed as England's saviour, whilst forgiven should England crash out, because Southgate got his selection wrong in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Tez500 said: If, and it's a big if, Southgate gives him the chance. For me he has to play 4 at the back, all the players play in a four for the club teams. I hate this round peg, square holes thing he seems to do all the time. Was the same when he kept talking up Trent as a right Midfielder, if Klopp doesn't then Southgate shouldn't either! I don't want him to play 3 CBs but Coady plays in a three for Wolves and, arguably, is not suited to a four and Walker has played on the right side of a three for England a number of times. I think we can play it, especially as we have players in Chilwell and James who are used to playing as wing backs and good at it. Equally, if he plays Jack on the LW and Foden on the RW (both inverted) this would open up space for Chilwell and James. But if he does play 3 CBs I would only want one sitter in Rice and he would have to a more progressive player - Bellingham or Mount - alongside otherwise it looks really stodgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Can you imagine an England team that doesn’t have this current version of Jack Grealish in it, lunacy! Imagine not putting one of the best players in the country in the starting 11. How good must the other players be!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, sidcow said: I don't really care if Jack plays or not. The only thing I am interested in is how Southgate is going to play the PIVOT. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted June 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2021 Don’t skip leg day 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, villan-scott said: Don’t skip leg day Crikey. Arkle wasn't as well defined as this magnificent specimen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: How good must the other players be!? Rashford, Sancho and Sterling not bad players tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted June 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, villan-scott said: Don’t skip leg day No wonder his shins are like breadsticks! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Rashford, Sancho and Sterling not bad players tbf Not bad is about right. Do you think that Jack is worse than not bad? Additionally Sterling and Rashford are both out of form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Crikey. Arkle wasn't as well defined as this magnificent specimen. My first thought was 'roids to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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