OutByEaster? Posted December 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2019 Had a little fight with Long in the tunnel after the game apparently? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: As funny as it sounds, Jack going could turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Then we would have to build a team that doesn't rely on one or two individuals. We need a team that consistently works as a cohesive unit with every player knowing their role and responsibility because, right now, we're looking like a team that's lost it's way, and this time their is no Jack to come and save us. Pretty sure that was said when Benteke left. It's no good if you replace him with more punts and projects from the lower leagues. In an ideal world we stay up and we then in January and in the summer sign proven top level players to start building the club up into a credible 11 challenging for europe over next 2-3 seasons. That will tempt him to stay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Pretty sure that was said when Benteke left. It's no good if you replace him with more punts and projects from the lower leagues. In an ideal world we stay up and we then in January and in the summer sign proven top level players to start building the club up into a credible 11 challenging for europe over next 2-3 seasons. That will tempt him to stay. I feel for him, he must be torn by his love for the club and the burning ambition to play on the highest stage. And let's be honest, you couldn't begrudge him wanting to achieve all he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Had a little fight with Long in the tunnel after the game apparently? At least he’s showing passion for the cause, I don’t think he’s captain material personally, I think Mings should be captain. It is NOT the Jack Grealish show, he needs to keep his head down and let his football do the talking, it was a brilliant goal make no mistake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: At least he’s showing passion for the cause, I don’t think he’s captain material personally, I think Mings should be captain. It is NOT the Jack Grealish show, he needs to keep his head down and let his football do the talking, it was a brilliant goal make no mistake I disagree. I think we get 10% more out of Jack by being captain, his performances at the end of last season and this reflect that. Someone like Mings will lead regardless, he doesn't need it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips'ngravy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) When you have a player of the talent of Grealish who is capable of running a game on his own it's ridiculous to station him out wide. We desperately need him pulling the strings in the middle and I find it incredible Smith is persisting with him on the wing. In the last two games the opposition have cottoned on to the fact that the tactic is for Jack to turn inside and drive into the centre and they just crowd him out. He still manages to jink through on occasions but he's not nearly as capable of affecting the game as he is in the middle. When he understandably gets frustrated with the ineptitude of his colleagues and drifts into the middle there's inevitably nobody on the left for him to pass it to. In the last period of the game after he'd scored you could see him motioning to his teammates as to where they should be running which really reflects badly on Smith and suggests that in certain phases of possession he either hasn't given them clear enough instructions as to what to do or he hasn't given them any instructions at all. I'm not one of the ones calling for Smith's head but what I witnessed today points to some serious mismanagement of the team. Edited December 22, 2019 by chips'ngravy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 11 hours ago, villalad21 said: I'm looking forward to seeing Jack playing CL football next season. Yeah, but we'll have to put a decent run together to achieve it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I agree with chipsngravy's post about Jack needing to be moved back to the middle behind the striker. Our attacks will come down both wings then instead of just down the left where Jack is supposed to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 12 hours ago, villalad21 said: I'm looking forward to seeing Jack playing CL football next season. I find it very difficult to understand how a supporter of Aston Villa could look forward to watching the finest player we've produced for an eternity going to play for another club. Jack leaving might also bring with it the demise of our own club but, hey, that's OK just as long as you can watch Jack Grealish playing for a Spanish giant in the Champions League several times a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said: I disagree. I think we get 10% more out of Jack by being captain, his performances at the end of last season and this reflect that. Someone like Mings will lead regardless, he doesn't need it. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Villarocker said: I find it very difficult to understand how a supporter of Aston Villa could look forward to watching the finest player we've produced for an eternity going to play for another club. Jack leaving might also bring with it the demise of our own club but, hey, that's OK just as long as you can watch Jack Grealish playing for a Spanish giant in the Champions League several times a year. Because it pains me not seeing my favorite player fullfilling his talent. He's surrounded with clowns and i feel so bad for him. He deserves better. It's like a poor relationship. You always f*** it up, always making mistakes and generally drag her down to depression. You know deep down that the best thing you can do to her is to let her go and let her find happiness and fulfillment again. Edited December 22, 2019 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, chips'ngravy said: When you have a player of the talent of Grealish who is capable of running a game on his own it's ridiculous to station him out wide. We desperately need him pulling the strings in the middle and I find it incredible Smith is persisting with him on the wing. In the last two games the opposition have cottoned on to the fact that the tactic is for Jack to turn inside and drive into the centre and they just crowd him out. He still manages to jink through on occasions but he's not nearly as capable of affecting the game as he is in the middle. When he understandably gets frustrated with the ineptitude of his colleagues and drifts into the middle there's inevitably nobody on the left for him to pass it to. In the last period of the game after he'd scored you could see him motioning to his teammates as to where they should be running which really reflects badly on Smith and suggests that in certain phases of possession he either hasn't given them clear enough instructions as to what to do or he hasn't given them any instructions at all. I'm not one of the ones calling for Smith's head but what I witnessed today points to some serious mismanagement of the team. Jack needs to adapt to what the opposition does too, not just follow what's been agreed before the game. We need someone else to be able to score too so that Jack has an alternative and who the opposition needs to worry about too. With all his flaws, Conor is the guy in this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 8 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: I feel for him, he must be torn by his love for the club and the burning ambition to play on the highest stage. And let's be honest, you couldn't begrudge him wanting to achieve all he can. He is playing at the highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Villarocker said: I agree with chipsngravy's post about Jack needing to be moved back to the middle behind the striker. Our attacks will come down both wings then instead of just down the left where Jack is supposed to play. with McGinn out I would put Jack back in the middle, dont think they can both play together in the middle of the park in this division Edited December 22, 2019 by Zatman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I know I made comments about Jack playing his best football out wide and bringing him back into the middle wouldn't make much sense but with McGinn now out for 3 months he simply must be put back into the middle of the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Villarocker said: I find it very difficult to understand how a supporter of Aston Villa could look forward to watching the finest player we've produced for an eternity going to play for another club. Jack leaving might also bring with it the demise of our own club but, hey, that's OK just as long as you can watch Jack Grealish playing for a Spanish giant in the Champions League several times a year. You did see who posted it right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Do people forget that we've only won one game with him playing in central midfield, he might perform well as an individual in that position but as a team we suffer, we could get away with it in the championship, but in the premier league we need three specialist midfielders, otherwise we'll just get overrun in midfield. Not to mention that he's been much improved himself since moving out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Find it baffling how people can say he was poor yesterday. As the focal point of the team, he's being played out of position in a team that is trying to play everything through him. With Grealish in the centre of the pitch, the ball moves to him and he can carry it or dictate the play from the middle of the park. For the last few games as we have struggled he hasn't been able to influence the game pushed out on the left side of the pitch. When we are playing well, our midfield is ticking with McGinn then by all means play Grealish left and let him attack. But when the last few games have been the times to play him inside and run the game for us. We don't deserve him at all, if this carries on much longer he will be off in the Summer and in years to come we will be looking back with a lot of regret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Another fantastic goal from Jack yesterday! Also good to see he had another crack at goal from outside the box which had a decent amount of power on it. Hope to see more of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, useless said: Do people forget that we've only won one game with him playing in central midfield, he might perform well as an individual in that position but as a team we suffer, we could get away with it in the championship, but in the premier league we need three specialist midfielders, otherwise we'll just get overrun in midfield. Not to mention that he's been much improved himself since moving out wide. He only played in the middle for 6 games and in reality we should have won 4 or 5 of them. Can you explain which of the midfielders were specialist midfielders yesterday? You say we need them to stop us being overrun but it happened for 90 minutes yesterday. Grealish's attacking qualities are improved on the left, but he helps the team out more in the midfield. Without McGinn we have nobody to carry the ball and retain possession. Yesterday we gave it away so much that we made it easy for Southampton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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