dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 51 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Most definitely the truth, but it's also a case where Jack shines is 10-20 yards into the oppositions half. He draws fouls and keeps us ticking, but it's difficult getting there when we are facing much tougher opponents, cause we can't steam roll possession like we did in the championship, so a boxtobox player will automatically sit more defensively than offensively, which doesn't suit Jack. Ironically I've always thought he'd excell as a more defensive playmaker, but he definitely got it down in a more attacking role. Fortunately his shot is piss poor, or we'd have more suitors than we'd like. Like... Pep Guardiola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, villa4europe said: wasn't he statistically one of the highest rated tacklers or blockers per game or something daft for a creative midfielder? Yes. Obviously that will have dipped since he moved further forward, but he's still the same player. I see his future at 8 myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Quote Twisting yourself into a right mess here guv. He didn't have a poor start and remains our best player when he plays centre mid. Opposition fans said he was bad did they? The ones who still wet their pants every time his name is mentioned that he dives and isn't as good as Maddison or various Leeds players. Wouldn't use them as a reference point. Not even close. When they both were more CM'esque McGinn outperformed him by miles. Opposition fans generally don't like him for his looks, which is ridiculous, but after he changed role for us this season they are far more fans of him than when he was in a more central role. You can trust me on that. I read about 10-15 different forums of other teams. Edited November 29, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Not even close. When they both were more CM'esque McGinn outperformed him by miles. In a handful of games yes. There are more fans of his because he's currently bang on form and playing in the Premier League. I don't think his position matters, he's going to be a star. I just happen to think his ball carrying attributes are better suited to an 8. Not a box to box, though he works hard, not a defensive midfielder, but as an attacking 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 It's working fine with him playing from the left. Look at our results, he played there v Norwich and Brighton aswell. I guess he dosen't like it as it means he has to track back and help the full back on occasions but it's not like he has to do that every single time. he also popped up many times centrally on the counter attack so plenty more flexibility he gets than say if he was playing under Mourinho. To me we are far more balanced with him and three CMs behind him. Earlier in the season having him and McGinn charging forward and two touchline widemen left us too exposed on the counter attack. Maybe long term 4-3-1-2 might be a formation we try out particularly as we do have attacking FBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Anyone else noticed the way he quickly nicks a pass with outside of his boot is becoming a trademark move? Fantastic technique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyscartwright_avfc Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Worth noting that this doesn't include the traditional top 6 but Grealish is absolutely miles ahead of everyone else for open play chances created. Matty Targett & El Ghazi not doing too bad either 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted November 29, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Different ball game when you move up a division. But moving Jack forward was exactly what was needed. His attacking game is what we need, not his defensive duties. Him playing defensively or box to box in a much larger degree is a negative thing for us. He simply doesn't do that as well as he does when he is stationed further up the pitch. I'd disagree with you here and I think it's where a lot of people mis-label Grealish. He's a very good player in the opponents final third, he's got quick feet and he can go by a man - but his real strength is in transition. He's a perfect transition midfielder and it's one of the rarest things in the game. For me Jack's number one strength is his ability to pick a ball up ten yards outside his own box and turn that situation into one where the ball is very quickly moved to the opponents box. He can run it the length of the field between boxes and he can create one-two's that get it there and he can draw in a midfield and pass beyond them - there aren't many players in the game that can do all of those things. If you look at good teams, this is very often the thing they miss. It's exactly what the England national team hasn't got - we have players who can do great things once they're in the final third - Sterling and Rashford out wide, Maddison in the middle - but getting the ball from the back line to them is difficult - Grealish can do that. He can do a lot of other things besides that, but doing that is in my opinion his greatest strength. When Mourinho took over at Chelsea he talked constantly about the transition from back to front and how it was the most important thing in the game, Guardiola always says that his job as a coach is to get his talented players on the ball in space around the opponents box and that it's then up to them from there - he works an awful lot on transitions. Grealish gives us the ability to turn defence into attack better than most in this division - Klopp does it with full backs getting into the spaces his forwards make - we do it down the middle. His ability to be more than one type of midfielder means he's still able to do a lot of that from a wide position - he's a very versatile footballer - like you, I'd agree that from a wide position he can worry less about responsibilities elsewhere and concentrate on his strengths - I think the position suits him, but I think he can play both wide or through the middle without any difficulty. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: In a handful of games yes. There are more fans of his because he's currently bang on form and playing in the Premier League. I don't think his position matters, he's going to be a star. I just happen to think his ball carrying attributes are better suited to an 8. Not a box to box, though he works hard, not a defensive midfielder, but as an attacking 8. Basically the role De Bruyne plays for City. If we can get ourselves a good wide forward or 2 we can move Jack back she reap the benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, rhyscartwright_avfc said: Worth noting that this doesn't include the traditional top 6 but Grealish is absolutely miles ahead of everyone else for open play chances created. Matty Targett & El Ghazi not doing too bad either He's above everyone in the top 6 too. If you exclude set pieces, Jack is top of the league in chances created per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, rhyscartwright_avfc said: Worth noting that this doesn't include the traditional top 6 but Grealish is absolutely miles ahead of everyone else for open play chances created. Matty Targett & El Ghazi not doing too bad either Great for Grealish, but also nice to see Matt Targett on that list also, he's been great for us imo. Interesting to see Ghazi on that list also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Read some click bait shite article today where Kevin Campbell says Arsenal need to buy Grealish in January... more chance of beating this man in a fight ^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Even though he starts on the left it’s not really his fixed position. He has a free role. Which is why it’s so important that whoever plays on the left of midfield is disciplined enough to cover him. Edited November 29, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 If he stays with us for his whole career, he can be what Ryan Giggs was to Manchester United in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, sir_gary_cahill said: If he stays with us for his whole career, he can be what Ryan Giggs was to Manchester United in my opinion I think he is too good for this to happen. Eventually he will move on but the main thing is we get big money for him and reinvest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think he is too good for this to happen. Eventually he will move on but the main thing is we get big money for him and reinvest. I feel that for us to match Grealish's trajectory would require an investment like Man City got when Sheikh Mansour bought them. FFP was created to make sure that never happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think he is too good for this to happen. Eventually he will move on but the main thing is we get big money for him and reinvest. Money doesn’t seem to be an object to these owners, Grealish stayed for 3 years while we were in The Championship. I see no reason why he won’t stay with us for his whole career, it’s his boyhood club, all of his family are Villa fans, it’s in his blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Money doesn’t seem to be an object to these owners, Grealish stayed for 3 years while we were in The Championship. I see no reason why he won’t stay with us for his whole career, it’s his boyhood club, all of his family are Villa fans, it’s in his blood He said after we won the playoffs that he had been expecting to leave at the end of hte season at first. He's definitely open to leaving to further his career if required. Is purely being in the PL but getting bottom half finishes is enough to quell his ambition? Who knows, but if we were to go down again, I definitely don't see him sticking around. But if we were to show signs of gradually but significantly climbing up the table, I say he stays. Edited November 29, 2019 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Laughable Chimp said: He said after we won the playoffs that he was expecting to leave at the end of the season at the start of it. He's definitely open to leaving to further his career if required. Whether purely being in the PL but getting bottom half finishes is enough to quell his ambition? Who knows, but if we were to go down again, I definitely don't see him sticking around. The sky is the limit for us with these new owners and then after today’s news (the manager signing his new contract). Grealish himself signed a new 5 year contract not too long ago, I see no reason why he would want to leave to go to anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: The sky is the limit for us with these new owners and then after today’s news (the manager signing his new contract). Grealish himself signed a new 5 year contract not too long ago, I see no reason why he would want to leave to go to anyone And what if we don't for some reason get better and get stuck in a relegation battle year after year or hell, even get relegated? Its a distinct possibility, just as us reaching the top 10 or even top 6 is a possibility too in the future. We aren't entitled to anything in this league. I'm saying if its the former, I don't think Jack sticks around. A player signing a new contract doesn't mean they wouldn't want to leave in the future, it just means they didn't want to leave at the time they signed the contract. Like I said, Jack himself said that he had expected to leave at the end of the season despite signing a 5 year contract a year earlier, I don't think there's anything which indicated what his intentions were more than that, unless you think he was lying for some reason. Edited November 29, 2019 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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