Aston_Villan4 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, nick76 said: Yeah, I’d prefer combo of fines and community work. They hate being fined but they already have stacks of money, I’d like them to learn from it doing community free work preferable around this topic. More likely to learn a lesson if he had to meet and help victims or their families that have suffered by driving offenders. Yeah I agree. That’s what usually seems to happen in these cases. Heavy fines with community service work. I would think they would give him court-ordered rehab as well. Or was the drink-driving part dropped? Edited November 26, 2020 by Aston_Villan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 4 hours ago, QldVilla said: The question would be then what message is the club sending to its supporters when in a week were it was highlighted that the club had the largest reported instances of hate crimes by its supporters and wants to stamp it out, but no consequence for its best player when he puts his life and others at risk while driving under the influence? Its easy to make statements, it’s another to show leadership and make tough decisions. I think the vast majority of fans don’t care, in fact I’ll wager some don’t even know about it at all. Its really not that big a deal, nobody got hurt and yeah yeah, but somebody could have got hurt (won’t someone think of the children), but they didn’t and it’s not that big a deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted November 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 21:21, villanmac said: Its an age old tactic for coppers to target footballers on their way to and from training grounds. I remember years ago talking to a copper who told me how they did it for years at United. He reckoned they had half the first team squad on at least 6 points and Fergie was fuming with em always ending up in court but then they clocked him too Yes, hitting parked cars during lockdown, fleeing the scene, and not reporting the accident are all ploys by police to catch out innocent footballers.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I think the vast majority of fans don’t care, in fact I’ll wager some don’t even know about it at all. Its really not that big a deal, nobody got hurt and yeah yeah, but somebody could have got hurt (won’t someone think of the children), but they didn’t and it’s not that big a deal. I don’t agree it’s not a big deal. It kind of is and he should be punished the same way anybody else would be. But I don’t think anything should be done to affect his performances for Villa and that includes taking his captaincy away. No point punishing the club and fans as well! Edited November 26, 2020 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I don’t agree it’s not a big deal. It kind of is and he should be punished the same way anybody else would be. But I don’t think anything should be done to affect his performances for Villa and that includes taking his captaincy away. No point punishing the club and fans as well! A million people have died from a virus this year, businesses are closing at a record rate and it takes Marcus rashford to ensure that kids don’t go hungry. We’re about to exit the EU seemingly with no real plan in place. Jack Grealish receiving a driving offence or two doesn’t even begin to stack up, to say it’s tomorrows chip paper wrapping doesn’t even come close to how insignificant it is in the wide scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, bannedfromHandV said: A million people have died from a virus this year, businesses are closing at a record rate and it takes Marcus rashford to ensure that kids don’t go hungry. We’re about to exit the EU seemingly with no real plan in place. Jack Grealish receiving a driving offence or two doesn’t even begin to stack up, to say it’s tomorrows chip paper wrapping doesn’t even come close to how insignificant it is in the wide scheme of things. Yeh in terms of news worthiness I agree it’s not a big deal at all. I meant more in terms of the offences themselves. I misunderstood your post mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Freudian slip there mate An innocent victim of auto spell . Edit time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 hours ago, nick76 said: Yeah, I’d prefer combo of fines and community work. They hate being fined but they already have stacks of money, I’d like them to learn from it doing community free work preferable around this topic. More likely to learn a lesson if he had to meet and help victims or their families that have suffered by driving offenders. I think the club already fined him when it happened, not sure they are allowed fine him again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 The club commented at the time of the lockdown incident and fined him. I don’t think they need to comment further or for him to step down as captain. He just needs a driving ban! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Zatman said: I think the club already fined him when it happened, not sure they are allowed fine him again Fair enough then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) On 25/11/2020 at 20:08, Follyfoot said: I’ve heard this many times but find it quite amazing that if this is the case the majority of them never find the way to St Andrews unless we are playing true. you only find out about most blue noses when you tell them you're villa fan. Edited November 26, 2020 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: Some say they’re a big club but nobody believes that either. My uncle and 3 cousins on my Mom’s side were/are all noses. When I was a little lad and was “chosen”, all I heard from them was what a big club Blues were. We were in the third division and I knew no better than to believe them. They even took me and my Dad to the temple of doom. Then one day, well it was a night game actually, vs Wrexham, Dad took me to Villa Park and I was smitten. I think I was 8 and we sat up stairs in the wonderful old Trinity Road. The old place wrapped it’s arms around me and said, “welcome home son”. My first sight of the pitch, the noise, the smell and of course the magnitude of the mighty Holte End I viewed in awe from afar. The start of a journey so many of us have been on, a love that no matter how heart breaking it can be, never dies. Meanwhile across the city, I watched the “big club” drag itself along. While we rose to the very highest of heights they lived in a world where ten thousand is more than fifty thousand and winning the European Cup isn’t a big deal compared to the Fairs Cup. In their glory years they entered three competitions every season. Beat The Villa at home, beat The Villa away and stay up. They don’t even qualify for the first two now. Big club Dave, My Dad was from Dublin, when he arrived in the City, He lived in Aston initially.....He took me to the Villa and Blues alternately, but we lived in Small Heath by then......someone asked why I chose Villa. I said when the players came out only one team made the hairs stand up on my neck....and it wasn't Blues. been a fan since 1960. BACK ON TOPIC.....been a fan of Jacks since the first time I saw him. Edited November 26, 2020 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 hours ago, nick76 said: Yeah, I’d prefer combo of fines and community work. They hate being fined but they already have stacks of money, I’d like them to learn from it doing community free work preferable around this topic. More likely to learn a lesson if he had to meet and help victims or their families that have suffered by driving offenders. Yeah, even if he got like a £20k fine it would be like getting off Scott Free. Go help clean up a River of pollution or something. I can't think who it was now but somebody hugely world famous had to do some community service like that a couple of years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Its really not that big a deal, nobody got hurt and yeah yeah, but somebody could have got hurt (won’t someone think of the children), but they didn’t and it’s not that big a deal. If you were walking down the street with your wife and Kids. If I was on the roof of a building over the road with a high powered assault rifle and took a couple of pot shot at you and your kids, but missed. Would that be OK? Nobody got hurt. I already know you're going to say no it's not OK but that's completely different, but it really isn't, it's just a few degree's of being exactly the same thing. Edited November 26, 2020 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Aston_Villan4 said: Yeah I agree. That’s what usually seems to happen in these cases. Heavy fines with community service work. I would think they would give him court-ordered rehab as well. Or was the drink-driving part dropped? Drink driving was never charged. There is no evidence he was drunk so they've not even tried to charge him with it. By the time he turned up it was too long after the incident for any alcohol to be detected and trying to prove it from circumstance and bystanders is going nowhere in court. I am convinced he was, which makes me very disappointed, but i do not expect the club or anyone else to do anything related to it if there is no real proof. Circumstantial doesn't cut it in the real world, and it shouldn't, but is enough for me personally to come to my own conclusion. Club and/or police should latch on to the speeding that has been proven, and target rehab for that, by community service type learnings. It will be the only thing that has any effect as he can afford any fine they throw at him, and negate any driving ban via other means of luxurious travel. Stick to football Jack, you don't need to be a flawed genius to be good at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, sidcow said: If you were walking down the street with your wife and Kids. If I was on the roof of a building over the road with a high powered assault rifle and took a couple of pot shot at you and your kids, but missed. Would that be OK? Nobody got hurt. I already know you're going to say no it's not OK but that's completely different, but it really isn't, it's just a few degree's of being exactly the same thing. Wow, okay. I think they’re two really different things with many degrees of separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I find it hard to take seriously anyone who bitches about the private life of a footballer they've never met. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted November 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2020 20 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: I think you're conflating two completely unrelated issues there. I think Grealish should be fined and banned from driving for several years but ideally the club will spin it into a positive rather than removing the armband. Either by having a drink driving awareness campaign that Grealish is involved in, or some kind of charity initiative for the victims of drink driving. It’s an easy argument to say they aren’t related, yet if the club wants to be leaders in the community, you can’t pick and choose what is and isn’t important, as it confuses the message your trying to send. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted November 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2020 15 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: I think the vast majority of fans don’t care, in fact I’ll wager some don’t even know about it at all. Its really not that big a deal, nobody got hurt and yeah yeah, but somebody could have got hurt (won’t someone think of the children), but they didn’t and it’s not that big a deal. It’s that type of minimisation of issues that deflect the importance. Ask families and friends who have lost family members to drunk drivers and ask whether they believe it’s important? Maybe try putting yourself in the shoes of those who have lost family members to drunk drivers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, KentVillan said: I find it hard to take seriously anyone who bitches about the private life of a footballer they've never met. I think the conversation has moved on from Jack specifically to the perils/seriousness of drink and dangerous driving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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