Demitri_C Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 When wolves scored hos body language to me.felt like here we go ago ive had enough of this shit. He wants to win things i get it but as captain i dont see him rallying the troops. Mings is a far better suited caotain I know smith made him captain to keep him happy as he didnt get tbe move he wanted but he isnt a captain to me To me id rather get rid of smith bring a quality manager and 70m+ tk buold a team that doesnt rely on one player Thats the problem we rely too much on one player. You will never suceed if thats how you play week in and week out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, sidcow said: Tis an educated response, well done! His performances since the restart have been poor in comparison to earlier in the season. Edited June 30, 2020 by Zhan_Zhuang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted June 30, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, TreeVillan said: Crazy how this has all turned on Jack now. Like he's not trying his all just because he hasn't scored recently lol. If I were him I'd definitely **** off to a bigger club. Our fans are shocking. Agreed. He's been our best player in every game since the restart. He's got absolutely **** all to work with. A shit team playing shit under a manager who is currently shit. People expect him to go round 3 players and score. He never has anyone to pass to. He's an amazing player and if these are his last games for us it makes me sad that fans are turning on him for, imo, no reason. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Douglas Luiz says hello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Douglas Luiz says hello Luiz has improved nicely. Are you saying he's been better than Jack? I'd respectfully disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Luiz has improved nicely. Are you saying he's been better than Jack? I'd respectfully disagree Villa Talkers gave Luiz 84% of the vote last time for MOTM, previously (I think) he was MOTM twice (according to Villa Talkers) in the four matches back after restart. Disagree all you like but Luiz has performed better, Jack has been a pit poor for me especially as he is regarded as our best player. Grealish has spent much of the last few games falling over alot that's for sure. Edited June 30, 2020 by Zhan_Zhuang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I have a feeling his next move is a done deal already (probably to MU). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Villa Talkers gave Luiz 84% of the vote last time for MOTM, previously (I think) he was MOTM twice (according to Villa Talkers) in the four matches back after restart. Disagree all you like but Luiz has performed better, Jack has been a pit poor for me especially as he is regarded as our best player. Grealish has spent much of the last few games falling over alot that's for sure. People give Luiz the motm because jack isnt performing as well as he can whereas Luiz has performed much better than at any point previously. Grealish has been better but Luiz has stepped up his game so he deserved the motm. Luiz most improved player, Grealish most valuable player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Villa Talkers gave Luiz 84% of the vote last time for MOTM, previously (I think) he was MOTM twice (according to Villa Talkers) in the four matches back after restart. Disagree all you like but Luiz has performed better, Jack has been a pit poor for me especially as he is regarded as our best player. Grealish has spent much of the last few games falling over alot that's for sure. Even if Luiz has played better thats just one player. Jack was only player vs Wolves trying to create anything and Luiz only one wanted the ball from him. Our strikers are incredibly static they make Wesley look like Vardy. McGinn has came back in poor form What else can he do. Its not PlayStation that he can run through an entire defence especially a strong one like Wolves. Of the mid table teams Sheffield United, Wolves and Newcastle are probably most difficult to play against 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldVillan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I have to agree that since the re-start Douglas Luiz has been our most consistent performer by some distance. Is he better than Grealish? Hell no. Though obviously completely different types of players but at least Luiz is now showing some real signs of potential now. Back to Grealish, he's obviously not performing to his optimum best, but not through the lack of trying. I think he has looked a little disillusioned by the players around him, must be pretty tough on him seeing the likes of Trez and El Ghazi totally under performing and thinking he has to do it all himself. Since moved into the middle he is trying to pick the ball up to deep probably because there is a lack of trust of the other players to be able to carry or pass the ball forward. But we need Jack playing much higher up the field where he can hurt teams. Let's not start beating him down though, he's been our player of the season by far and will more than likely leave at the end of the season to bigger and better things. FWIW, I wouldn't dream of leaving him out for the Liverpool or Man Utd games, end of the day he's the player that can make us tick and we would effectively be conceding the points before a ball is kicked should we not start him. I actually think he will raise his game for both these matches knowing that potential suitors will be watching him perform against the so-called big boys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Didn't realise his court date was so far away. Is the potential punishment limited to licence points and fines? If so, he's probably fine given footballers live in a world where these things seemingly don't matter to them (loads of money for the fine, ability to afford a chauffeur/taxis everywhere they want to go, and a world of employers that couldn't give 2 sh*ts about whether you broke the law ). We should have used the incident as an opportunity to instil Mings as captain. Behind the scenes we could sell him the story that its to ease the pressure on him and leave him free to do what he does best. I don't think being captain in our situation is doing him any favours. Edited June 30, 2020 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordVillan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Agreed. He's been our best player in every game since the restart. He's got absolutely **** all to work with. A shit team playing shit under a manager who is currently shit. People expect him to go round 3 players and score. He never has anyone to pass to. He's an amazing player and if these are his last games for us it makes me sad that fans are turning on him for, imo, no reason. You’re feckin deluded! Luiz has been head & shoulders our best player since the restart. I think Grealish needs the captaincy taken away from him, as should have happened the moment he crashed his car pi55ed. Mings is by far a better leader of men. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordVillan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, WakefieldVillan said: I have to agree that since the re-start Douglas Luiz has been our most consistent performer by some distance. Is he better than Grealish? Hell no. Though obviously completely different types of players but at least Luiz is now showing some real signs of potential now. Back to Grealish, he's obviously not performing to his optimum best, but not through the lack of trying. I think he has looked a little disillusioned by the players around him, must be pretty tough on him seeing the likes of Trez and El Ghazi totally under performing and thinking he has to do it all himself. Since moved into the middle he is trying to pick the ball up to deep probably because there is a lack of trust of the other players to be able to carry or pass the ball forward. But we need Jack playing much higher up the field where he can hurt teams. Let's not start beating him down though, he's been our player of the season by far and will more than likely leave at the end of the season to bigger and better things. FWIW, I wouldn't dream of leaving him out for the Liverpool or Man Utd games, end of the day he's the player that can make us tick and we would effectively be conceding the points before a ball is kicked should we not start him. I actually think he will raise his game for both these matches knowing that potential suitors will be watching him perform against the so-called big boys. He didn’t play against Liverpool at Villa Park earlier in the season, and we were a handful of minutes from winning that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted June 30, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Tis an educated response, well done! His performances since the restart have been poor in comparison to earlier in the season. So we should turn on him? You don't like how the papers portray a possible move and you don't feel he's played very well over the last 4 games so we should turn on him. That's the spirt. Barring 10 games last season and the play off final pretty much the ONLY enjoyable thing about watching Villa for 4 years has been Jack Grealish who incidentally dragged us into this league last year and has single-handedly ensured we are not dead and buried already. If there is one single person at this club over the last 4 years who deserves our unwavering support it is Jack. And if he does go and we are relegated his passing gift will be enough money to rebuild the rest of the squad without needing to risk the club going bust again. Maybe David O'Leary had a point because it's certainly looking that way. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldVillan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, OxfordVillan said: He didn’t play against Liverpool at Villa Park earlier in the season, and we were a handful of minutes from winning that game. Yes I get that, we fought really hard that day and put in a really great effort but the stats that day didn't lie. They had 26 shots to our 4, 75% possession and a perfectly good goal ruled out. If that happens in every game you play then you're more than likely going to lose 99% of them. I suppose you could say the players that were out there put in a little extra effort knowing Jack wasn't playing, but I still feel that the chances of getting any kind of result at Anfield without Jack is pretty much zero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Villa Talkers gave Luiz 84% of the vote last time for MOTM, previously (I think) he was MOTM twice (according to Villa Talkers) in the four matches back after restart. Disagree all you like but Luiz has performed better, Jack has been a pit poor for me especially as he is regarded as our best player. Grealish has spent much of the last few games falling over alot that's for sure. I think MOTM and best player aren't necessarily the same thing. I think Luiz's improvement is what's catching the eye for fans and people are taking Jack for granted. They expect him to be a worldbeater so they don't give him credit when he plays well but not spectacular. The same reason Messi doesn't get MOTM every week for Barca but he's nearly always their best player. The bit in bold sums it up for me. You expect more of Jack so you're disappointed when he isn't at his peak. But he's still head and shoulders above the rest of the team. He's our best player week in and week out. He's basically the only player in the team who belongs in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said: You’re feckin deluded! Charming 15 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said: Luiz has been head & shoulders our best player since the restart. I disagree 15 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said: I think Grealish needs the captaincy taken away from him, as should have happened the moment he crashed his car pi55ed. I don't think stripping our best player of the captaincy with 6 games to go would be a very motivating thing to do at the most crucial part of our season. 16 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said: Mings is by far a better leader of men. I agree. And if they're both here next season, which is doubtful, I'd give the captaincy to Mings. But you don't change the captaincy at a time like this. It would be crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Didn't realise his court date was so far away. Is the potential punishment limited to licence points and fines? If so, he's probably fine given footballers live in a world where these things seemingly don't matter to them (loads of money for the fine, ability to afford a chauffeur/taxis everywhere they want to go, and a world of employers that couldn't give 2 sh*ts about whether you broke the law ). We should have used the incident as an opportunity to instil Mings as captain. Behind the scenes we could sell him the story that its to ease the pressure on him and leave him free to do what he does best. I don't think being captain in our situation is doing him any favours. His court date is probably the next time we'll see 3 points to be honest 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He's our best player week in and week out. He's basically the only player in the team who belongs in this league. This. The rest of the rabble are championship level, apart from Heaton. I can only imagine how good Jack will be when he has other good players around him. Edited June 30, 2020 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldVillan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think MOTM and best player aren't necessarily the same thing. I think Luiz's improvement is what's catching the eye for fans and people are taking Jack for granted. They expect him to be a worldbeater so they don't give him credit when he plays well but not spectacular. The same reason Messi doesn't get MOTM every week for Barca but he's nearly always their best player. The bit in bold sums it up for me. You expect more of Jack so you're disappointed when he isn't at his peak. But he's still head and shoulders above the rest of the team. He's our best player week in and week out. He's basically the only player in the team who belongs in this league. I agree, they are definitely not the same thing. Grealish is by far our best player. By a country mile. I think you are correct, fans perceptions are probably a bit skewed because of the high expectations Jack has previously set and Luiz's upsurge in form. The standard of performances from both players post-lockdown is probably a lot closer than the VT votes suggest. I know when I am voting I try to judge each game on it's own merit and I think have voted Luiz in 2 of the 4 matches played and Jack none but maybe it says more about the types of games we have been involved in than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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