Tommo_b Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Apparently Everton and Tottenham are after Zaha who is leaving Palace, so maybe Jack won’t be sold just yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, wilko154 said: He want's to stay, but unfortunately we have a 40m black hole in regards to FFP and he is the most saleable asset we have so ultimately we have to sell him. The decision has been made to sell him whether he likes it or not. Can't sell him if he won't sign. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Can't sell him if he won't sign. It will just mean we have to sell 5-6 first team players instead of Jack... ultimately the decision is going to be sell Jack to keep the rest of the squad for next season. I don't know how a potential takeover influences FFP, but I'm pretty sure the 40M FFP blackhole we have created for ourselves will be there regardless of who owns the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, wilko154 said: It will just mean we have to sell 5-6 first team players instead of Jack... ultimately the decision is going to be sell Jack to keep the rest of the squad for next season. I don't know how a potential takeover influences FFP, but I'm pretty sure the 40M FFP blackhole we have created for ourselves will be there regardless of who owns the club. I'd rather sell Chester and Kodija than Jack to be honest provided we can get a couple of loans. Nobody else has any resale value anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Can't sell him if he won't sign. Would **** love that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 If we get new owners maybe we can hold on to him until January. If we're near the top, keep him. If we're not, we should stop holding him back and sell him. Usually prices are so inflated in January---it might be appealing getting a Jack-type bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: If we get new owners maybe we can hold on to him until January. If we're near the top, keep him. If we're not, we should stop holding him back and sell him. Usually prices are so inflated in January---it might be appealing getting a Jack-type bargain. Yeah, I agree. The only reason to sell him now would be to stop the club going out of existence. FFP doesn't come into play until March so if we do get owners who can keep the club afloat then it's well within our interest to keep him until at least January. He may have an amazing half season and his price might double. But hopefully we can just keep him somehow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Okonokos said: Yeah, I agree. The only reason to sell him now would be to stop the club going out of existence. FFP doesn't come into play until March so if we do get owners who can keep the club afloat then it's well within our interest to keep him until at least January. He may have an amazing half season and his price might double. But hopefully we can just keep him somehow. Exactly...if he has a good first half of the season there should be more clubs in for him. Therefore we'd have a better chance of getting more money for him too. We cannot just sell him to pay the bills. That would be so depressing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 58 minutes ago, wilko154 said: It will just mean we have to sell 5-6 first team players instead of Jack... ultimately the decision is going to be sell Jack to keep the rest of the squad for next season. I don't know how a potential takeover influences FFP, but I'm pretty sure the 40M FFP blackhole we have created for ourselves will be there regardless of who owns the club. I would happily sell 5-6 first team players. None of them are as integral as Jack...or even combined. Sell Adomah, Bjarnason, Jedinak, Lansbury, Elphick and promote some of the youngsters in their place won't be the end of the world. We still have a strong core. Sell Grealish though and we're ripping up our future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 So we have to basically pray that all the top clubs in England take a Moneyball approach to transfers, only care about stats and dont actually watch potential targets. Alrighty then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheMelvillan said: So we have to basically pray that all the top clubs in England take a Moneyball approach to transfers, only care about stats and dont actually watch potential targets. Alrighty then I'm pretty sure that's how it is. Unless you play in the top flight, your performances are overlooked. If you get noticed it will be for your stats a la James Maddison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I would happily sell 5-6 first team players. None of them are as integral as Jack...or even combined. Sell Adomah, Bjarnason, Jedinak, Lansbury, Elphick and promote some of the youngsters in their place won't be the end of the world. We still have a strong core. Sell Grealish though and we're ripping up our future. I would love that as well but in all honesty it won't happen. Adomah £5M, Bjarnason £5M, Jedinak £1M, Lansbury £3M, Elphick £1m - £15M... plus possibly a 1-2M saving on wages If Jack were to be sold for £25M thats a £10M difference However the only reason we have to sell Jack is due to the FFP... but we still havent been given an actual figure we need to make up by the club. Press speculation is between £30M and £40M... there is a chance it is less than that, in which case we could probably take the 'wait until January for sales' approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 20, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, wilko154 said: Press speculation is between £30M and £40M... there is a chance it is less than that There isn't a chance it is less than that. It's likely to be a bit more than that if anything. It's complicated, but last season FFP allowed us to lose 61million in total ove rthat season plus the previous 2. Next season FFP will allow us to lose 39 million over the season, plus the previous 2. So that's a change of £22 million. On top of that our income from parachute money drops from 33 million to 15 million - another 18 million. So just those 2 factors add up to a 40 million swing for the worse. Then we need to consider whether things like gate money and TV money are going to increase or decrease next season. The odds are for a drop in them, too. The situation is grim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 20, 2018 Visiting Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) What is the worst that can happen if Villa don’t meet FFP rules? A fine, docked points? If there is a takeover in the offing as mooted in the takeover thread then surely the fine would be paid and Villa would still gain enough points to stay in the Championship if able to retain players like Grealish? Edited July 20, 2018 by striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, striker said: What is the worst that can happen if Villa don’t meet FFP rules? A fine, docked points? If there is a takeover in the offing as mooted in the takeover thread then surely the fine would be paid and Villa would still gain enough points to stay in the Championship if able to retain players like Grealish? A fine, a points deduction and a transfer embargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, KHV said: A fine, a points deduction and a transfer embargo It would be a massive fine, over 10M in debt accrues a fine valued at 100% of the debt!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, wilko154 said: He want's to stay, but unfortunately we have a 40m black hole in regards to FFP and he is the most saleable asset we have so ultimately we have to sell him. The decision has been made to sell him whether he likes it or not. I know that. I just love hearing his love for the club so wanted to know what he'd said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: It would be a massive fine, over 10M in debt accrues a fine valued at 100% of the debt!! It's ridiculous isn't it. I wonder who thought fining clubs in financial crisis was a good way of dealing with the problem! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, KHV said: It's ridiculous isn't it. I wonder who thought fining clubs in financial crisis was a good way of dealing with the problem! Probably the same people that decided SKY having sole rights to the football was bad for the consumer, Now you need 3 different subscriptions costing hundreds instead of one for £25 and teams like watford now rank in the top 20 world football rich lists due to the insane amount of money the clubs receive from TV companies being forced to bid higher & higher amounts against each other to show games Edited July 20, 2018 by LakotaDakota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, KHV said: A fine, a points deduction and a transfer embargo We can't afford players anyway ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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