Jon Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 If we can keep King fit, which is a big if, then we have a player better than Rio ready to come straight into the team anyway. Indeed. Big IF that though, but i do agree that Rio was past his best, permanently injured and not playing well when fit. He was going to play be default, and not on form. Ledders coming in can be a massive boon for us, and if we win the first game with him in, he can sit out the next 2, and play the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 king and upson missed training this morning and i disagree jon, same with Barry coming back from his injury, you cant have have it that king plays 1 game, sits out 2 and then automatically comes back in, what kind of motivation is that to the CB who replaces him? whats king then do sit out the quarters and semi and play the final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 If we can keep King fit, which is a big if, then we have a player better than Rio ready to come straight into the team anyway. Indeed. Big IF that though, but i do agree that Rio was past his best, permanently injured and not playing well when fit. He was going to play be default, and not on form. Ledders coming in can be a massive boon for us, and if we win the first game with him in, he can sit out the next 2, and play the rest. King was dire when he played last time out. Looked sluggish and out of his depth. Hopefully it won't carry over to the World Cup, yet I am concerned about having him as our starting CB, especially when we play the better teams in the last 16... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 fair enough but the Kiwi's have no right to be at the world cup IMHO They qualified fairly like everyone else ('cept France of course). They have as much right to be there as Spain, England, Brazil and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 His name is Rio and he's crying in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Would probably prefer Carragher at CB instead of King, as he might provide useful club-mate experience to the somewhat wayward Glen Johnson at RB - but either way, it's disappointing for Rio, but it might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Would probably prefer Carragher at CB instead of King, as he might provide useful club-mate experience to the somewhat wayward Glen Johnson at RB So they can transfer their wayward club form to the international team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Would probably prefer Carragher at CB instead of King, as he might provide useful club-mate experience to the somewhat wayward Glen Johnson at RB So they can transfer their wayward club form to the international team? it's a good point, but sometimes having a club mate around might be better than having someone alongside with whom you play quite rarely - but you have a good point nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It was noticable in the 2nd half vs mexico IMO carragher can read johnsons **** ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Aye Carragher is your best bet because he knows Johnsons game better, international football is all about wavelength innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 5, 2010 Moderator Share Posted June 5, 2010 Wouldn't mind King missing training. He'll miss most training sessions. That's how you use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Picked up Sports Illustrated's World Cup preview issue today... they go into deeper detail on Group C than the other groups for some reason. The Guardian's guide is up today too. In typical Guardian style it's full of spelling mistakes and goes for giggles more than anything: England: England: World Cup 2010 team guide While they boast Fabio Capello and Wayne Rooney, clean sheets are hard to come by and the squad looks thin History lesson Knocked out in the quarter-finals six times, the semi-finals once and won it in 1966 when King Harold took an arrow in the eye for the lads. Forty-four years of frustration and soul-searching have followed, undone by scapegoated reserve goalkeepers (1970), semi-fit talismen missing sitters (1982), devious Argentinians (1986 and 1998), hubris (2002 and 2006) and unscrupulous foreigners practising penalties (1990, 1998 and 2006). Tactics board Fabio Capello has used 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 but 4-2-3-1 has been his most successful formation with Gareth Barry and Frank Lampard the two central midfielders, a right-wing flyer in Theo Walcott or Aaron Lennon, Steven Gerrard floating about the left and desperate to cut inside to create room for Ashley Cole up the flank, and Wayne Rooney playing off Emile Heskey who grinds down defenders with his running but almost never scores. The first-choice back four has hardly played together recently but that hasn't tempered the usual optimism that "this time, more than any other time, we'll get it right". Grudge match Anyone who has metaphorically spilt their pint over the past two centuries – basically every team but especially Germany, Portugal and Argentina. Also known as The Three Lions – a marketing man's overhaul of the old Ingerland brand. The players Vuvuzela superstar Wayne Rooney has evolved from a spud-faced nipper with a cocker spaniel's inability to leave any ball unchased and a turbulent temper that endangered Portuguese testicles into a truly world-class spud-faced forward who has harnessed his skills and drive. All this and the swashbuckler's natural, off-the-cuff talent to make defenders look as if they're playing in lead boots, too. There's always Bolton Nothing doing, David James apart, if he's willing to shift his Chopper collection and begin a painstaking search for a visually-impaired Bolton barber. Laager lout The 2009's Daddies Sauce dad of the year and former captain John "JT" Terry is the lawyer's friend. We blame the parents. The coach Body double Stick on a fez and whip off the specs and just like that you've got Tommy Cooper. Otherwise, Capello's Postman Pat in a foul temper. Big game hunter Six Serie A titles (or seven depending on your view of calciopoli) with Milan, Roma and Juventus as a coach and two in Spain 10 years apart with Real Madrid. Milan's 4-0 drubbing of Barcelona in the 1994 European Cup final was an astoundingly courageous tactical masterpiece. Loved or loathed Respect has blossomed into affection. Oddly masochistic relish remains at his "iron fist" and "rod of iron". The country Commentators' kit Fabio Capello is fastidious about what he wears but his contempt for the ankle sock is strange. "When a gentleman crosses his legs and the trouser leg rides up to show hairy shins at the top of the sock," he says, "it offends my eyes." More than one reason, then, for his team to pull them up. They gave the world Sir Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, Charles Babbage, Geoffrey Chaucer, William Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, Sir Winston Churchill, William Wilberforce, John, Paul, George and Ringo. In short, they gave the world a fine hand in almost any game of international bragging rights, not that they like to dwell on the past. National monument A once stiff upper lip that now needs Viagra to reach historical levels of rigidity. Qualifying Cruised to qualification after a ropey first-half during their first game against Andorra. Hammered Croatia 4-1 away and 5-1 at home to banish the Wally with the Brolly hangover. Won nine and lost only to Ukraine. The Triesman tapes ... what he didn't say "This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, this other Eden, demi-paradise... this blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this Ingerland." Statistics World Cup record: 12 finals P55 W25 D17 L13 F74 A47 Winners: 1, 1966 9: England have negotiated the group stage successfully on their last nine appearances in World Cup finals Fixtures USA, 12 June, Royal Bafokeng Stadium, 7.30pm Algeria, 18 June, Green Point Stadium, 7.30pm Slovenia, 23 June, Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, 3pm The verdict The trust in Fabio Capello is accompanied by a fear that the squad is too thin to withstand much adversity. If Wayne Rooney stayed fit, if Steven Gerrard got his form back and if the centre-backs were in rude health, England would present a severe problem to most. Capello needs to refresh a dynamism that has waned. Semi-finalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 USA Algeria Slovenia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted June 5, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2010 A coworker broke his leg yesterday which means that I have to work on Saturday, thus missing the USA/England world cup game. Fuckity fuckity **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 5, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2010 Our defence will not be good enough for this world cup im afraid, we will leak goals and give away far to many free kicks and penalties. I think we may finish second in the group, with a bit of luck, I hope im wrong. Can see Dawson having to be used and although he has had a great season in the PL, against the types of players we willl be up aginst he will find it very hard, ditto Upson as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 After watching the Aus v USA friendly I would say USA are a very good team going forward but their defence looks a bit suspect. Aussies opened them up from out wide on several occasions and if we had anyone with a half-decent finish up front we might have scored 3 or 4. USA clearly the better side but I would expect on what I saw England should put them away, but I think they will safely have the better of Slovenia and Algeria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 5, 2010 Moderator Share Posted June 5, 2010 A coworker broke his leg yesterday which means that I have to work on Saturday, thus missing the USA/England world cup game. Fuckity fuckity **** Is Saturday a full day or a skeleton crew day. No chance of sneaking an internet stream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 A coworker broke his leg yesterday which means that I have to work on Saturday, thus missing the USA/England world cup game. Fuckity fuckity **** He broke it on purpose so he could get the day off to watch the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 A coworker broke his leg yesterday which means that I have to work on Saturday, thus missing the USA/England world cup game. Fuckity fuckity **** They can enforce overtime on you if you already have plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 5, 2010 Moderator Share Posted June 5, 2010 They can enforce overtime on you if you already have plans? I'd say it's one of those situations where technically you could probably say 'no' but it would not be looked upon too kindly and would probably hinder you at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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