Teale's 'tache Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Eesh... Ollie Pope was doing everything right, changed his plans after the last test and used his feet really well. But when your lucks not in, your lucks not in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Even if England started with 11 batsmen they would struggle to get 200 at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I wonder why channel 4 decided to go with an all Indian commentary team...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I wonder why channel 4 decided to go with an all Indian commentary team...... I'm not sure it was their decision exactly, I believe they bought the rights to the broadcast and the commentary is part of that broadcast. Channel 4 only really provide the stuff in the studio as far as I'm aware. Somebody may know better than me though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I think as it is a one off broadcast which Channel 4 won about a week before the series started is probably one of the reasons they haven't got the old gang back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I don’t know if the new team / squad rotational thing was due to the current situation or if it was going to be England’s new approach to touring (following multiple instances of depression and stress related problems for English cricketers over recent years) but I hope this signals the end of it. You play your best team at almost all times, if someone is not mentally resilient to be away from home for a couple of months then don’t go and let someone else better equipped take that place. This series is heading for an ignominious ending to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) absolute horse shit from england today. pathetic. This is a 350-400 pitch easy. Edited March 4, 2021 by Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 37 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: I'm not sure it was their decision exactly, I believe they bought the rights to the broadcast and the commentary is part of that broadcast. Channel 4 only really provide the stuff in the studio as far as I'm aware. Somebody may know better than me though. that's correct. C4 have eff all to do with the commentary team. Just the studio. At it's worst, one can be stuck between swann on the telly or vaughan on TMS. The horror 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I don’t know if the new team / squad rotational thing was due to the current situation or if it was going to be England’s new approach to touring (following multiple instances of depression and stress related problems for English cricketers over recent years) but I hope this signals the end of it. You play your best team at almost all times, if someone is not mentally resilient to be away from home for a couple of months then don’t go and let someone else better equipped take that place. This series is heading for an ignominious ending to say the least. I think its difficult to criticise them for this in the current situation. I completely understand that touring overseas and remaining in a Covid bubble for prolonged period of times is a difficult thing for anybody to do. If once cricket is back to normal we're still rotating players constantly then that's when I'd question it. As it is I think we just have to put up with it for now. I'm also not convinced that we'd have got much out of this series even if we had a full squad. We're not a great side at the moment particularly in the conditions we've seen here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Home advantage is massive in test cricket and is seemingly even more important. Playing cricket in India is totally different to England. Even much more of a difference than say playing tennis on grass to clay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, tom_avfc said: I think its difficult to criticise them for this in the current situation. I completely understand that touring overseas and remaining in a Covid bubble for prolonged period of times is a difficult thing for anybody to do. If once cricket is back to normal we're still rotating players constantly then that's when I'd question it. As it is I think we just have to put up with it for now. I'm also not convinced that we'd have got much out of this series even if we had a full squad. We're not a great side at the moment particularly in the conditions we've seen here. They have always rotated players but usually in the white ball cricket rather than Tests. This time round they are playing the full-strength team in the T20s and ODIs because of the T20 World Cup in India coming up so in order to allow players some time outside the bubble they are doing it now. To be frank I'm surprised we managed to win a Test at all out there against a very good side. Edited March 4, 2021 by sharkyvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: Home advantage is massive in test cricket and is seemingly even more important. Playing cricket in India is totally different to England. Even much more of a difference than say playing tennis on grass to clay. This, and we all know about how mental health has been an issue for many players in the past being away from home for long periods. Its even worse now with covid so you cant blame the squad rotation policy. Havent watched much to be fair but i would rather watch all spin than all seam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: Home advantage is massive in test cricket and is seemingly even more important. Playing cricket in India is totally different to England. Even much more of a difference than say playing tennis on grass to clay. Found an interesting article on it here: https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1225398/which-team-is-the-best-of-them-all-away-from-home For those interested, below is the all time table for away results. Playing at home is certainly a big advantage, but the really good teams can win away. Good players adapt and learn, though it sometimes takes a few tours to do so. I think part of the problem England have is not many have any experience of playing in India, and those that do haven't really done it (I'm looking at you Bairstow...), the further problem is how many of those that have gained some experience in this tour are going to be around the next time we tour here? England seem to get through Batsmen in particular at quite a rate it seems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Teale's 'tache said: Found an interesting article on it here: https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1225398/which-team-is-the-best-of-them-all-away-from-home For those interested, below is the all time table for away results. Playing at home is certainly a big advantage, but the really good teams can win away. Good players adapt and learn, though it sometimes takes a few tours to do so. I think part of the problem England have is not many have any experience of playing in India, and those that do haven't really done it (I'm looking at you Bairstow...), the further problem is how many of those that have gained some experience in this tour are going to be around the next time we tour here? England seem to get through Batsmen in particular at quite a rate it seems. Think you need to filter it more to show stats over the last 10 years and against nations that dont include Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, PaulC said: Think you need to filter it more to show stats over the last 10 years and against nations that dont include Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. The article goes in to much more detail if you read it. The table for the last 20 years below (has overall figures for top 8 only at the bottom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: The article goes in to much more detail if you read it. The table for the last 20 years below (has overall figures for top 8 only at the bottom) Ok interesting Australia and South Africa have a plus 50% win record but there again Australia had McGrath and Warne and South Africa had Dale Steyn but things may have changed a bit over the last 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, PaulC said: Ok interesting Australia and South Africa have a plus 50% win record but there again Australia had McGrath and Warne and South Africa had Dale Steyn but things may have changed a bit over the last 10 years Yeah you'd think with things like IPL, Big Bash etc. that players were travelling a bit more and should if anything have had more experience of differing conditions, at least before covid anyway, but then the test teams aren't always made up of those players I suppose. I've always though it a sign of a good team to win an away test series, because there's so much stacked against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: Yeah you'd think with things like IPL, Big Bash etc. that players were travelling a bit more and should if anything have had more experience of differing conditions, at least before covid anyway, but then the test teams aren't always made up of those players I suppose. I've always though it a sign of a good team to win an away test series, because there's so much stacked against you. Yes I agree. The team we had with Cook, Bell, Trott, kp, Swann etc was an outstanding one. Australia had a great team and South Africa had a very good one. In recent series we lost in the windies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Think you need to filter it more to show stats over the last 10 years and against nations that dont include Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. And down to playing in the sub-continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 5, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 5, 2021 England bowling really well this morning. Stokes has got Kohli for a duck - that'll keep him quiet for a minute or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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