Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 It's always been there. Exactly the answer I was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 How did life/mass get here? New research shows that microorganisms could have survived a journey from Mars to Earth. so maybe it came from Mars? or another world somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sie Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 It's always been there. Exactly the answer I was getting at. You've just broken your own premise that everything requires a designer, meaning the Universe/matter doesn't require one by your own standards. Science is not making the claim that everything requires a designer. Science is saying "we haven't found the answer to that question yet". And as for your question on what started life, read up on abiogenesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 How did life/mass get here? New research shows that microorganisms could have survived a journey from Mars to Earth. so maybe it came from Mars? or another world somewhere Err, think you didnt understand the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Err, think you didnt understand the question Didn't you ask how life was created?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 So, Aliens then. Do they exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2010 So, Aliens then. Do they exist? Yes. And an infinite number of them will have the same life as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 You know, life had to start before it could become a mass :-) there are many bids how it started, but nobody knows for sure yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 It's always been there. Exactly the answer I was getting at. You've just broken your own premise that everything requires a designer, meaning the doesn't require one by your own standards. Science is not making the claim that everything requires a designer. Science is saying "we haven't found the answer to that question yet". And as for your question on what started life, read up on abiogenesis. Not if that premesis is that only things that havent always been they way they are must have been designed to be that way. Science is making the claim that it does not know what we all came from. If we came from something, and science finds out what that thing is, then that only creates another question. The only answer that would leave no questions left, would be nothing happened to nothing and created everything. Anyway, what was the topic again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 So, Aliens then. Do they exist? They dont exist in human history, and that's all that matters for now 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 you should listen a little to Stephen Hawking, hes not that stupid methinks :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 you should listen a little to Stephen Hawking, hes not that stupid methinks :-) You mean Stephen Hawkings the agnostic? The man who hasnt ruled out the possibility of there being a God? That bloke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 The man who hasnt ruled out the possibility of there being a God Even a wise man can have some crazy ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWeedMcGrass Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 If the exogenesis theory is true then yes , there has to be life elsewhere purely on the basis that there are other habitable planets out there. Based on probability theory alone , there are many , many other 'earth like' planets out there and there has to be some kind of life on those planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 you should listen a little to Stephen Hawking, hes not that stupid methinks :-) You mean Stephen Hawkings the agnostic? The man who hasnt ruled out the possibility of there being a God? That bloke?Everyone is agnostic, unless you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 you should listen a little to Stephen Hawking, hes not that stupid methinks :-) You mean Stephen Hawkings the agnostic? The man who hasnt ruled out the possibility of there being a God? That bloke?Everyone is agnostic, unless you're an idiot. So all athiests are idiots. Least we agree on something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sie Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 It's always been there. Exactly the answer I was getting at. You've just broken your own premise that everything requires a designer, meaning the doesn't require one by your own standards. Science is not making the claim that everything requires a designer. Science is saying "we haven't found the answer to that question yet". And as for your question on what started life, read up on abiogenesis. Not if that premesis is that only things that havent always been they way they are must have been designed to be that way. Science is making the claim that it does not know what we all came from. If we came from something, and science finds out what that thing is, then that only creates another question. The only answer that would leave no questions left, would be nothing happened to nothing and created everything. Anyway, what was the topic again? No amount of special pleading will fix the contradiction in your premise. All things require a designer except God doesn't follow. For example, if that is the case and your premise is true, why not say the Universe doesn't require a designer. It's just as valid if we accept your premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2010 you should listen a little to Stephen Hawking, hes not that stupid methinks :-) You mean Stephen Hawkings the agnostic? The man who hasnt ruled out the possibility of there being a God? That bloke?Everyone is agnostic, unless you're an idiot. So all athiests are idiots. Least we agree on something! You clearly don't know what atheist means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 It's always been there. Exactly the answer I was getting at. You've just broken your own premise that everything requires a designer, meaning the doesn't require one by your own standards. Science is not making the claim that everything requires a designer. Science is saying "we haven't found the answer to that question yet". And as for your question on what started life, read up on abiogenesis. Not if that premesis is that only things that havent always been they way they are must have been designed to be that way. Science is making the claim that it does not know what we all came from. If we came from something, and science finds out what that thing is, then that only creates another question. The only answer that would leave no questions left, would be nothing happened to nothing and created everything. Anyway, what was the topic again? No amount of special pleading will fix the contradiction in your premise. All things require a designer except God doesn't follow God. Pleading? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 The argument from design is pointless. It is complete hypocrisy to say that everything must have a designer......EXCEPT the designer. If "God" was always here, then why can't the universe have always been around ? Occams razor. People believe in God not because of any compelling evidence but purely from a deep rooted NEED to believe . People are scared in general and the idea that they have some magic big daddy looking after them, comforts them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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