MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Just hope they are friendly if they one day should come here,even though I could easily imagine a communication breakdown, don't think they would be very good in english. and with bad communication, lots of trouble :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I don't believe aliens have ever visited human civilisation either. How do you explain Iain Dowie then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soprano Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I sometimes wonder if there's intelligent life on earth never mind else where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sie Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I don't believe aliens have ever visited human civilisation either. How do you explain Iain Dowie then? An ugly word removed. That's how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I.m sorry, but i don't believe on anything there is written in the bible :-) Fair enough.... However I was actually pointing out what is NOT written in the Bible. ie the Earth being the centre of the Universe... What is written is entirely in agreement with our latest observations of our vast Universe (Genesis 22:17) . . .like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sie Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I.m sorry, but i don't believe on anything there is written in the bible :-) Fair enough.... However I was actually pointing out what is NOT written in the Bible. ie the Earth being the centre of the Universe... What is written is entirely in agreement with our latest observations of our vast Universe (Genesis 22:17) . . .like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore. . . Our latest observations? Don't you mean our ancient observations that pre-date the bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2010 There has to be. However, I would imagine the chances of us encountering them are slim, given the difficulties of space travel, such as the immense distances required. You'd think the Bible would mention aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 This poll could really also ask the question are you christian or not? because i don't think many christian people would believe there would be intelligent life anywhere else than on the earth I may be wrong in this, but this is what i believe till someone disprove me in it :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Our latest observations? Don't you mean our ancient observations that pre-date the bible? Are you referring to Mesopotamian and Egyptian astrology & astronomers? ....Exactly who? If you are then as Moses who wrote the book of Genesis was bought up as a son of Pharoah, as an Egyptian, then he would have been fully versed in the Astronomical observances of the Ancient world. (Acts 7:22) . . ."Consequently Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians. In fact, he was powerful in his words and deeds" It was not until sometime afterwards that Grecian astronomers & subsequently Plato that their astronomers mused about the origins of the Universe surely? It is also only since modern day telescopes had the ability to see the vastness of space & the innumerable stars in the Universe that grains of sand on the beach like The Rev mentioned is entirely appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I can't believe some people genuinely believe we are the only intelligent beings in the whole universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 because i don't think many christian people would believe there would be intelligent life anywhere else than on the earth I would think that all who beleive in a Creator & his heavenly organisation beleive there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. However as that life is in a different dimension then I put No because I thought you would be talking about Aliens in the ET sense of the word. It's odd that people of science now appear to be arguing for the existence of something they can neither touch or see and there is absolutely no evidence to support it's existence.... Yet they scoff at someone who apply that same set of criteria to the existence of intelligent life in the Universe in the form of a Creator & his organisation... Presumably alien abduction tales hold far more weight that the writings of 40 men in 66 books through thousands of years??!! Thought so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2010 There is a logical end to saying it though Julie. Our understanding of the universe is that is so absolutely enormously vast, far far more vast that we can even see from where we are, that purely on the logic of chance, there has to be other life out there. The universe's nature as infinite means that everything that is possible, exists. The rest of what you put is claptrap, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sie Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Are you referring to Mesopotamian and Egyptian astrology & astronomers? ....Exactly who? If you are then as Moses who wrote the book of Genesis was bought up as a son of Pharoah, as an Egyptian, then he would have been fully versed in the Astronomical observances of the Ancient world. (Acts 7:22) . . ."Consequently Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians. In fact, he was powerful in his words and deeds" It was not until sometime afterwards that Grecian astronomers & subsequently Plato that their astronomers mused about the origins of the Universe surely? It is also only since modern day telescopes had the ability to see the vastness of space & the innumerable stars in the Universe that grains of sand on the beach like The Rev mentioned is entirely appropriate. Despite rejecting the various premises in your questions here (such as assuming some guy called Moses wrote Genesis and that he was fully versed in anything - [citation needed] I think), I'll entertain them in order to provide an answer. Agreed dates of Moses vary but 13th century BC (1400/1300/1200BC - that sort of era) is considered to be when he was kicking around. Mesopotamian Civilisation - 5300 BC Egyptian Civilisation - 3000 BC Ancient people who have eyes and can say "**** me, that's a lot of twinkly thing" when they look up at night - since well before all of the above. And who said anything about the origins of the universe? We're talking about the bible not being the first time the observation that there's lots of stars was made....because it wasn't. The reason it's in the bible is because the people who wrote that particular piece of popular literature already held that idea. It's odd that people of science now appear to be arguing for the existence of something they can neither touch or see and there is absolutely no evidence to support it's existence.... Yet they scoff at someone who apply that same set of criteria to the existence of intelligent life in the Universe in the form of a Creator & his organisation... That's because they're not applying the same set of criteria. That you think they are is the problem. Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread so please consider this my short response and let us allow the thread to continue without becoming another tiresome religious debate where no one changes their minds about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 well as 'wonders of the solar system' pointed out, ancient civilisation thought the earth was in the centre of the universe and that everything orbited around it. But that was disproved upon the discover of Mars and the orbital changes we see in the sky. I think the fact that Mars was very similar to Earth a few billion years ago proves that other planets in our own solar system had the right initial climate etc to habour potential life. thinking that we are the only intelligent physical beings in the entire universe is pretty remote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 because i don't think many christian people would believe there would be intelligent life anywhere else than on the earth I would think that all who beleive in a Creator & his heavenly organisation beleive there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. However as that life is in a different dimension then I put No because I thought you would be talking about Aliens in the ET sense of the word. It's odd that people of science now appear to be arguing for the existence of something they can neither touch or see and there is absolutely no evidence to support it's existence.... Yet they scoff at someone who apply that same set of criteria to the existence of intelligent life in the Universe in the form of a Creator & his organisation... Presumably alien abduction tales hold far more weight that the writings of 40 men in 66 books through thousands of years??!! Thought so! Given that there are billions of galaxies, with billions of stars in each one, the chances of life developing elsewhere other than earth are quite high. If you have the right conditions for life, then it could well exist elsewhere, that's just common sense. The idea that there's some benevolent/malevolent magic sky fairy who created it all is nothing to do with science whatsoever. If you want to believe such errant nonsense, that's your choice, but don't mix it up with proper science, because it's got bugger all to with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Frankly I also think that it is totally madness that we send probes out with our address on based on a completely mindless assumption that if there is life out there, it is naturally hostile towards us. those who have done it, can in theory be the cause of humanity's downfall. bloody fools :-) But i wonder if we have taken the lives of ourselves before it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted April 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 The universe is simply too big as to not have other life in some form out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 The big question is, how would the christians react if we found life on another planet? I know it will never happen, but if it ever did, I think I'd struggle with my faith tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 You know, after seeing the millionth chart in that exact same format saying the exact same thing but set out differently, it loses a wee bit of its funny 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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