OutByEaster? Posted January 27, 2011 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2011 He was in Chameleon after the City game with Gareth Barry and Joe Hart - a fine send off with a bottle of Jagermeister and a pizza. Godspeed you pixie loon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Lampard just average? He scored 22 and created 17 last season and that's just in the Premiership. That's unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Lampard just average? He scored 22 and created 17 last season and that's just in the Premiership. That's unreal. He has average talent. Look at Lampard when he was 22 he was being booed by West ham fans and looked like becoming a journeyman and many people were shocked he went to Chelsea for so much but credit to him he worked on his strengths which is shooting and set-pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 28, 2011 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2011 He has average talent. Look at Lampard when he was 22 he was being booed by West ham fans and looked like becoming a journeyman and many people were shocked he went to Chelsea for so much but credit to him he worked on his strengths which is shooting and set-pieces. Wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't recall if he was being booed or not, perhaps he was but that in reality means nothing. It certainly has no relation to the amount of ability he has and doesn't mean he is an average player. A journeyman? Do you even know what that means? How can a 22 year old player at his first club be on the verge of becoming a journeyman??? That is once again one of the daftest things I've read on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah i know what a journeyman is. Lampard was being booed because of his poor performances at Upton Park and felt he only played because of who was in charge. People thought he would drop down divisions and never achieve much. As i said he has proven many wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 By working hard with his talent. No player with average talent can produce what he's done in the game. He has a great all round game. Also where has this booing thing come from? He moved age 23. His two previous seasons, he scored 14 goals in 49 games from central midfield (aged 21) and then 9 in 37 the next season aged 22. Then that summer signed for Chelsea for £11 million....the only type of booing I've seen is being booed on his return back to West Ham which usually means someone was a good player there. West Ham are dire now and they still haven't booed their own players individiually, so why the hell would they of booed Lampard who even if underachieving, at age 22, was having a pretty decent season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 28, 2011 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah i know what a journeyman is. Lampard was being booed because of his poor performances at Upton Park and felt he only played because of who was in charge. People thought he would drop down divisions and never achieve much. As i said he has proven many wrong Then if you know what it means, can you explain how someone who has only played for one club can be on the verge of becoming one. It makes no sense. In fact none of your views on this make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 28, 2011 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2011 Frank Lampard Sr was a West Ham legend. He even had his own song. And the Hammers sang it to Frank Jr too. It was great to see the son of a legend in the team. No one booed him - why would they? Frank broke into the team young and, at first, he was a bit out of his depth. But he matured quickly and within a year was a regular fixture in the side. He scored countless goals and was popular. Along with Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole and Michael Carrick, a new batch of West Ham legends was emerging. Their commitment and love for the club was evident. But Lampard was different. He openly seemed to view us as a stepping stone. He frequently made thinly-veiled comments leaving to play at the "highest level". None of our other players did that. It smacked of arrogance. In fact, it was an example of an incredibly driven man who wouldn't let anything stand in his way of personal success, least of all loyalty to his boyhood club. In short, he thought West Ham wasn't big enough for him and he made it obvious. The irony was that, on the pitch, he was frustratingly average. The emergence of Cole and Carrick in our midfield seemed to stunt Frank's progress. Despite being younger than Frank, they looked like better players than he was. As they grew in stature, his confidence seemed to shrivel. In this period, Redknapp/Lampard Sr would never drop or even substitute him. Ever. It was only then that the accusations of nepotism were heard on the terraces. But they were generally murmurs - not boos. Here Hardly the tale of a player deemed average, expected to drop down the divisions and become an average journey man is it. Sure the younger Carrick and Cole out did him for a while, no shame in that, neither is there any shame in struggling for form consistancy as a young player. Nobody would doubt he was helped out by the family ties at Upton Park but to say he was average, that he was booed because he wasn't viewed as being good enough, that he was expected to drop down the divisions and that he was expected to be a journeyman is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2011 People thought he would drop down divisions and never achieve much. I know literally no-one who thought this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 The irony was that, on the pitch, he was frustratingly average Paragraph 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 28, 2011 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2011 The irony was that, on the pitch, he was frustratingly average Paragraph 5 If you think selectively quoting that line proves your point, when your ignoring the wider context it was written in then your are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Stephen Ireland are you watching as Lee Hendrie is where you are heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah i know what a journeyman is. Lampard was being booed because of his poor performances at Upton Park and felt he only played because of who was in charge. People thought he would drop down divisions and never achieve much. As i said he has proven many wrong I think you're confusing him with Carlton Palmer. Some of the most bizarre comments I've ever read I have to say. May I have some of whatever you're on please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 Bottom of the league in Indonesia Hendrie happy plying his trade at the bottom of Indonesia's illegal league Former England player admits it's taken time to get used to life with Bandung By Antony Sutton in Jakarta and Glenn Moore Lee Hendrie could have been looking forward to playing at Wembley this season, a last hurrah in the sun for a player whose potential was never quite fulfilled. Instead the former Aston Villa midfielder is playing for the bottom-placed club in an illegal league thousands of miles away, in Indonesia. Few well-known Englishmen play abroad, and those that do, like David Beckham and Robbie Fowler, tend to go to places they would be happy to visit on holiday. Hendrie, however, has boldly gone where no English player has gone before. Hendrie, now 33, looked set for a long international future when he made his England debut late in 1998 but he lacked the dedication to go with his talent and his career declined rapidly after he ceased to be a Villa regular six seasons ago. Having been released by Bradford City this January, after unsuccessful spells at several clubs, the non-League game appeared the only option with Mansfield, who will be at Wembley in May for the FA Trophy final, offering a contract. Then came a call from Indonesia. Hendrie played only 13 minutes for England but it was enough to ensure his name will always carry the cachet of being an England international. That and his Premier League pedigree attracted the owners of Bandung FC, a new team operating in an unsanctioned league in need of a star. Hendrie is at the unwitting forefront of an attempted football revolution. Indonesia is a football minnow. The national team is 129th in the Fifa rankings and lost their only World Cup finals match – when they appeared as the Dutch East Indies in 1938 – 6-0. However, the country is football-daft. On any given weekend fans can catch live games from England, Germany, Italy and Spain as well as local matches. During the week a number of dedicated magazines and tabloids sate fans' desire for information while TV shows repeat the latest gossip from Europe. With such enthusiasm amid a population of 238 million, the fourth most populous country in the world, the potential is obvious, but internal mismanagement has hindered development. Match-fixing, corruption and contractual disputes are suspected to be rife in the domestic game. The current Football Association (PSSI) chairman, Nurdin Halid, has even run the organisation from jail – another former Villa player, Peter Withe, who managed the national team from 2004-07, recalls having to visit the prison to hold meetings with him. This situation has given rise to the Liga Primer Indonesia, the breakaway league created by an oil tycoon in which Hendrie plays. The PSSI has threatened punishments including the deportation of foreign players. But with the government giving tacit encouragement deportations are unlikely, although there is a risk that Hendrie, the league's most high-profile recruit to date, and everyone else involved, will be banned by Fifa. Not that any of this appeared to concern Hendrie when The Independent caught up with him after a recent match. In fine footballer tradition he doesn't know too much of what goes on behind the scenes. "I have spoken to the main people at the league and they have told me their plans, but I don't know too much about it," he said. Hendrie seemed more worried about the playing conditions. "The pitches have been hardest to adapt to," he said after the defeat to Batavia Union. "The surface isn't great, I've blisters all over my feet. The ball bounces everywhere. Around the box I'm going to be shooting because it can bobble over the 'keeper. It's hot but I don't mind that." Indonesia is, though, a very different place to the English Midlands, where Hendrie spent the bulk of his career. A sprawling archipelago of more than 17,000 islands and three time zones, it is best-known in England for the island of Bali, whose Devata team play Hendrie's tomorrow. Bandung is a long way, literally and culturally from the idyllic tourist destination. Established by the Dutch to serve tea plantations it has become a major city of two million. It is, though, passionate about football with the city's established "official" team, Persib, regarded as representing the region – which has its own language and was once independent. "It's a little bit different," admitted Hendrie. "I didn't know anything about it and was shocked when I first came here, but the people have been really good to me. I think if that hadn't been the case I might have gone home, but people around the place have been first-class to me." It helped that he has been handed a gentle introduction to Indonesian football beginning with a series of home games plus a local derby. He will soon understand what he has let himself in for with away games on far-flung islands that will introduce him to the joys of long-distance travel in Indonesia. Next week's match in Papua, for example, is over 2,000 miles away and the journey will involve a gruelling three-hour ride to Jakarta's airport along one of West Java's most scenic, and notorious, roads, then a seven-hour flight with a couple of stops along the way. Then there are the volatile crowds. His debut was nearly made behind closed doors following a riot at a previous game in Bandung. Eventually permission was granted to admit spectators but the crowd was limited to 6,000. In another match, on Kalimantan (the Indonesian part of Borneo), a player was dismissed for punching and kicking the referee. There is also the problem of the team. Bandung won their last match but that was their first victory of a nine-game campaign and they remain bottom of the 19-team league with four points. Hendrie though, appears to be in for the long haul. He has signed a two-year deal, reportedly as the best-paid player in the league at US$550,000 (£340,000) per year, and has brought his children out. The club have appointed him "football ambassador for coaching grassroot and youth development" and, said Bandung chief executive, Mohamad Kusnaeni, Hendrie will be "a role model for other players given his experience playing in the best league in the world". That this reputation precedes him is evident as he heads for the team bus. Fans and media jockey to have their picture taken with him and supporters sing his name. It is not the Holte End, but after several seasons drifting from club to club Hendrie is pleased to be wanted again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I'll be in Bandung in five weeks. No game while I'm there though unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 You could still meet up with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nath182 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 That has to be the ugliest team around, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 So i see Dalian Atkinson next to him and Rigobert Song next to teh keeper. How cant they be struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 i see Lee was in court yesterday as Trevor Francis son burgled him. typical small heathen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 12, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2012 Indonesia is, though, a very different place to the English Midlands No shit Sherlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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