Paul33 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 You can't blame them for going for the money. If some dude offered you 3 or 4 times your current salary for doing the same job, would you really say "no" ? What annoys me is that the players don't have the balls to admit they are going for the money and instead spout all this rubbish about European football and moving to a "bigger club" (yeah right !). Admit its for the money and I'd respect them more ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan_boy Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I think the best part of 20m and Ireland would be a great deal for the Villa. Ireland offers way more going forward and is exactly what Villa needs and have needed for a long time, a bit of flair in the centre midfield. However this is taking for granted you can get Ireland motivated! In MON we have one of the best motivators in the game! So Ireland would more than replace Milner and we could have the best part of 20m to spend on other players like a good right back and or a striker! The future is bright!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I would ask for 15 Million plus Ireland and Zabeleta - - - - - - - - - - Friedel - - - - - - - - - Zabeleta - Dunne - Cuellar - Warnock McGeady - Petrov - Ireland - Downing - - - - - - - - - - Young - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Agbonlahor - - - - - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dappadan Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Round and round in circles on here, hope he goes soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 You can't blame them for going for the money. If some dude offered you 3 or 4 times your current salary for doing the same job, would you really say "no" ? What annoys me is that the players don't have the balls to admit they are going for the money and instead spout all this rubbish about European football and moving to a "bigger club" (yeah right !). Admit its for the money and I'd respect them more ! Load of bollocks. If I'm already on £30,000 a week, that's not even 3 years wages for some people and I know I've got a place in the team then I'd come out and do something most players are scared shitless to do and say '**** Man City and the money, I'm not joining a team where I'll be struggling for playing time'. And the funny thing is I'd have expected Milner to be the most sensible about it all. Christ knows what's gonna happen if Ash or Gabby get approached... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 "Milner is a good player, but today he is an Aston Villa player," Mancini told Sky Sports News. That quote is pure Redknapp. I thought Milner might have had an ounce of loyalty after we showed faith in spending £12m and MON developed him in to an international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 word removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 You can't blame them for going for the money. If some dude offered you 3 or 4 times your current salary for doing the same job, would you really say "no" ? What annoys me is that the players don't have the balls to admit they are going for the money and instead spout all this rubbish about European football and moving to a "bigger club" (yeah right !). Admit its for the money and I'd respect them more ! Load of bollocks. If I'm already on £30,000 a week, that's not even 3 years wages for some people and I know I've got a place in the team then I'd come out and do something most players are scared shitless to do and say '**** Man City and the money, I'm not joining a team where I'll be struggling for playing time'. And the funny thing is I'd have expected Milner to be the most sensible about it all. Christ knows what's gonna happen if Ash or Gabby get approached... Really, I agree if I was a Villa fan and playing for Villa but if I had no links to Villa then I wouldnt. Forget about comparing to the common man that went many years ago, if any of you guys got offered double your current salary at another company, whether you are on 10k, 50k, 100k per year you would go unless you had some ties with the company surely? Even if somebody worked at Microsoft earning 1m a year and Steve Jobs came along and offered 2m surely that would turn the persons head somewhat.....the vast majority of the human race want to earn more no matter what level you are at....its a human trait somewhat, not how much money you need to live/survive, it's how much money you can earn.......Remember at the end of the day Villa is OUR life, but for the players it's a job and only occasionally do players in this day and age grow an affinity to the club they play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan_boy Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Guys we all have to accept that money talks in football and no matter how loyal u think a player is there is every chance they can have their head turned. It's all part of the modern game. All our expectations are too high. It's not nice but it's the reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Very, very sad day. We looked to be moving in the right direction - now we're stagnating again. We blew it last year, that was our one chance to get in the Chumps league. Same old shite, different owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Can I just say, from the club's perspective, I can't see how getting in the region of 28 million quid for a player like Milner could be anything but a good thing. Yes, we all know he's young and a very good player, but to get such an inflated sum for somebody who could certainly be replaced in time would be great in my eyes. I've said it all a long I think Milner is a tad over-rated. He works harder than anyone and he must be commended for that and his technical side has improved a lot so I'm saying I won't miss him, because I will, but we could reinvest that money on players like Ireland and Parker for instance and in my view that would make Villa a stronger team. 4-2-3-1 anyone with those two in it? Quality. From a personal perspective, and I don't want to jump on any 'Milner's a mercenary' bandwagon here, I can't understand Jimmy's reasoning behind his request to move other than it being to do with financial gain. I'm not saying I'd do any different to a company I have little affiliation with personally other than they are my employers, but to say that it is down to ambition can't be the case. It's been well and truly proven this season that if City don't reach at least the Top Four, the message to the manager is to keep spending until they do (as Gareth found out when Mancini decided he wanted Yaya Toure to replace him). If City fail to break the Top Four then Milner will be just the latest player to give way for a bigger star. If they succeed, they'll be able to start attracting THE very best players which means that the Kaka-type players that turned them down a few years ago due to not participating in the Champions League will be no more. Money and trophies would tempt all but the loyalist of players. I hope Jimmy continues to develop as a player from an England perspective at Man City as he has done under MON, but I don't think there's much chance of it with all the inevitable changes this time next year. He'll get his bumper payday, and just a small fish in a big pond. He knows that wouldn't be the same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born-Not-Made Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I'm not sure where people have got the idea that he'd be loyal to Villa. He left his boyhood club to further his career. He left Newcastle for us after handing in a transfer request..... He's a great pro, for one so young, and will always give 110% for whichever club he plays for But he's also very driven and very, very single minded. I've garnered the impression that James Milner is only really interested in the success of James Milner (like the majority of players, I'd wager) Very good player (with the potential to be brilliant) and will be sorely missed, but as long as we get enough from the deal we'll be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 City fans are bastards anyway, who have their own head firmly up some Sheik's arse. When Chelsea went for SWP the lot of 'em were crying and calling SWP Judas. Now they are having a go at us for lashing out at Milner. Double **** standards from a small time club. "This is our time", yeah you might win a few trophies, so **** what, but the day will come when the Sheikh decides to leave. Their own wage bill will crush them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 http://tiny.cc/cguxq Manchester City will make a £24m second and final offer for James Milner within the next 48 hours as they seek to push through a deal for the England international. The proposed deal is being conducted amid considerable acrimony with the winger's relationship with the Aston Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, threatening to unravel. Milner is angry and upset with O'Neill for suggesting that he had expressed a desire to leave during a meeting about his future before the World Cup finals. He also strongly rejected the manager's claim that he was offered a new contract with the club. Villa, however, have stood by O'Neill's interpretation of events and his comments, made during a pre-season trip to Dublin, prompted Milner to try to telephone the manager last night to seek an explanation. There was no indication Milner had managed to get in touch with O'Neill as the situation became increasingly fraught. Milner is due to report back to Villa for pre-season training on Monday after being given an extended break following the World Cup, although the events of the past 24 hours mean that it is almost inconceivable he will join up with his team-mates at the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground. Instead it now appears a matter of when and not if he becomes a Manchester City player. Although all the indications are that City's £24m bid will not be accepted – Villa's asking price is closer to £30m – negotiations are expected to continue with a view to a swift conclusion now it has been established Milner has no future in the Midlands. Villa are set to push for Stephen Ireland, the City midfielder who has been told he can leave the club this summer, as a makeweight in a deal. In many ways O'Neill's remarks are likely to accelerate the process. Having previously suggested the club would do all they could to keep Milner, who was outstanding last season and won the PFA Young Player of the Year award, O'Neill has publicly conceded defeat, claiming the 24-year-old had made it clear in a meeting at the end of May that he was not interested in discussing a new deal on improved terms and that he wished to leave. Milner and his representative strongly dispute this was the case and believe O'Neill has portrayed him an unfair light. "The state of affairs is really straightforward," O'Neill said. "James and his agent came to see us before the World Cup and intimated they would like to go. If that is the case then Manchester City made the offer, which we told them about. There is a difference of valuation at this moment between the buying club and the selling club. That may well be resolved and if that is the case then absolutely fine." "I think James's agent has told our chief executive he wouldn't be signing a new contract," O'Neill continued. "Obviously that puts a different slant on things, like everything else. Although I haven't spoken to James since that day, he has played in the World Cup and the rest really is pretty well straightforward. If a fee is agreed, at the end of the day, the player can leave. Manchester City have put a valuation on the player. It doesn't match our valuation but we will see. I am probably sure if that is the state of affairs, particularly if the player is keen to go, I am sure it will get resolved." How things pan out between Milner and O'Neill between now and then will be of just as much interest. The Villa manager has spent much of the previous 12 months waxing lyrical about the development of the player he signed for £12m from Newcastle United in 2008, and Milner was just as effusive in his praise of O'Neill for the part he played in his promotion to the senior England team. Yet O'Neill's latest comments have left Milner so disappointed that their previously close relationship could now be fractured beyond repair. New slant on things if any of it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 The club stand by MONs interpretations of events. In that case so will I. £24m would be fine. I think they have to accept it now, just because there is no longer a relationship between player and manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I can't really get offended by the guy leaving. I'm a Villa fan, I'd pay to play for Villa. But as a Villa fan, if I was playing well for Fulham and getting a million and Everton offered me two million I'd be looking to move. It's not that he's not loyal. It's just a job for him. We will not be looking to replace him with Ian Taylor and as such we will most likely be replacing him with another player that will see us as the club between his last one and next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 James Milner to £24m but deal turns ugly• Midfielder reacts angrily over Martin O'Neill's comments Manchester City will make a £24m second and final offer for James Milner within the next 48 hours as they seek to push through a deal for the England international. The proposed deal is being conducted amid considerable acrimony with the winger's relationship with the Aston Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, threatening to unravel. Milner is angry and upset with O'Neill for suggesting that he had expressed a desire to leave during a meeting about his future before the World Cup finals. He also strongly rejected the manager's claim that he was offered a new contract with the club. Villa, however, have stood by O'Neill's interpretation of events and his comments, made during a pre-season trip to Dublin, prompted Milner to try to telephone the manager last night to seek an explanation. There was no indication Milner had managed to get in touch with O'Neill as the situation became increasingly fraught. Milner is due to report back to Villa for pre-season training on Monday after being given an extended break following the World Cup, although the events of the past 24 hours mean that it is almost inconceivable he will join up with his team-mates at the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground. Instead it now appears a matter of when and not if he becomes a Manchester City player. Although all the indications are that City's £24m bid will not be accepted – Villa's asking price is closer to £30m – negotiations are expected to continue with a view to a swift conclusion now it has been established Milner has no future in the Midlands. Villa are set to push for Stephen Ireland, the City midfielder who has been told he can leave the club this summer, as a makeweight in a deal. In many ways O'Neill's remarks are likely to accelerate the process. Having previously suggested the club would do all they could to keep Milner, who was outstanding last season and won the PFA Young Player of the Year award, O'Neill has publicly conceded defeat, claiming the 24-year-old had made it clear in a meeting at the end of May that he was not interested in discussing a new deal on improved terms and that he wished to leave. Milner and his representative strongly dispute this was the case and believe O'Neill has portrayed him an unfair light. "The state of affairs is really straightforward," O'Neill said. "James and his agent came to see us before the World Cup and intimated they would like to go. If that is the case then Manchester City made the offer, which we told them about. There is a difference of valuation at this moment between the buying club and the selling club. That may well be resolved and if that is the case then absolutely fine." "I think James's agent has told our chief executive he wouldn't be signing a new contract," O'Neill continued. "Obviously that puts a different slant on things, like everything else. Although I haven't spoken to James since that day, he has played in the World Cup and the rest really is pretty well straightforward. If a fee is agreed, at the end of the day, the player can leave. Manchester City have put a valuation on the player. It doesn't match our valuation but we will see. I am probably sure if that is the state of affairs, particularly if the player is keen to go, I am sure it will get resolved." How things pan out between Milner and O'Neill between now and then will be of just as much interest. The Villa manager has spent much of the previous 12 months waxing lyrical about the development of the player he signed for £12m from Newcastle United in 2008, and Milner was just as effusive in his praise of O'Neill for the part he played in his promotion to the senior England team. Yet O'Neill's latest comments have left Milner so disappointed that their previously close relationship could now be fractured beyond repair. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 The club stand by MONs interpretations of events. In that case so will I. £24m would be fine. I think they have to accept it now, just because there is no longer a relationship between player and manager. So either Guardian is lying, or if they aren't then Milner is, if he isn't then his manager didn't tell him about contract offer? Either way just get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Sorry but I'm with MON on this. Why would he publically announce that Milner wants to leave unless he was certain that is what has been established? By indicating the player wants to leave, he has lowered the value of an unhappy player. What's Milner got to be 'angry' about? He clearly wants to leave, and MON has basically given him his wish providing a fee is agreed? Could this be Jimmy's agent trying to stir things up even more to make sure a deal HAS to go through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Get Ireland in. If we don't get Ireland in then sod that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts