barry'sboots Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I know we are all a bit shell shocked after a 7-1 mauling, but it may be just what we needed in the long term. I think such a result will have hurt MON personally and may just be what is required to get him to see the deficiencies in his squad and his inability to rest people. The JT comments on top may also get MON to react - even if he can't see it himself the raising of the tiredness after 60 minutes by an opponent must provoke him to look harder/discuss this with his management team. We might see some more progressive selections and MON using his bench a bit more. I don't know whether he can change things for this season but certainly could be a big help with an impending transfer window and a new season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 29, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2010 Surely everyone should be choosing the first option? I would have thought every villa fan would HOPE that it could have some sort of positive effect going forward? If they didn't hope that I'd question their allegiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 John Terry, although right, could not influence Martin O'Neill in any way, shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 29, 2010 Moderator Share Posted March 29, 2010 Long term I hope they will. Short term I'm almost certain they will be positive. Put it this way. If we'd lost 1-0, would we be going into the next game any differently? Probably not. Now that we've lost 7-1, do you think we'll be extra motivated to put that nightmare behind us? You can bet your ass we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 This post is slightly off topic, and is my response to a few ongoing threads: - Im not shelshocked by the result at all. Any team that goes on a long unbeaten run is always asking for a good hiding sooner or later. I remember playing Wimbledon a few years back. I think they had gone something like 26 games (mostly draws) unbeaten and we battered them 5-0. Ive seen Chelsea a number of times this season and they have won 3 or 4 nil when it could (if they had taken there chances) have been 16, 17 nil When Everton lost 6-1 to Arsenal (AT HOME), no one stuck the boot in on Moyes. Instead, the nation preceeded to fall for the media hype and make excuses for the genius that is Moyes, who in 7 or so years has done a decent (at best - as he has won ermmm, nothing) job at Everton. Martin O'Neill won't change and doesn't need to change!! Establishing a succesful football team is a patient process (even more so nowadays). Whether our manager is Martin O'Neill and his honest, stubborn ways, or Sir Alex Ferguson, with his constant manipulation of referees, Villa becoming a top notch Premiership club is going to take time (and may never happen). Here is a thought - Maybe if we start to get behind the manager instead of jumping on his back at the first sign of things not quite going as our over ambitious fans expect, things might have a better chance of happening or happening a bit quicker. I hope MON doesnt go in the summer, or the summer after. Ive said it before and Il ask again, Who actually looked at the premier league at the start of the season - yes, I fully expect us to finish top 4? It won't be one of the greatest achievements by a Villa manager to date!! If you did - then your mad If you didn't - then what you all (those questioning MON) complaining about??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maradona10 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Good point about Everton, Woody completely forgot that result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onmeedson Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingphil Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Yeap - Give the team an almighty kick up the arse and realise they are not as good as they (and MON) believe they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Exactly!! But lets face it. MON has done what Moyes has done in half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onmeedson Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Exactly!! But lets face it. MON has done what Moyes has done in half the time. Has moyes got Lerner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewportStu Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 As everyone knows, MON is extremely stubborn. It cost us last season, and it will cost us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Exactly!! But lets face it. MON has done what Moyes has done in half the time. Has moyes got Lerner? I dont buy that He had Rooney!! He conned man City for 24 million. Moyes has spent money (yeah wisely) but there not doing ought are they really? Has Hodgeson, Pulis, O driscoll etc got Lerner, and is Lerner that rich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onmeedson Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Exactly!! But lets face it. MON has done what Moyes has done in half the time. Has moyes got Lerner? I dont buy that He had Rooney!! He conned man City for 24 million. Moyes has spent money (yeah wisely) but there not doing ought are they really? Has Hodgeson, Pulis, O driscoll etc got Lerner, and is Lerner that rich? Money just helps you do things quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Exactly!! But lets face it. MON has done what Moyes has done in half the time. Has moyes got Lerner? I dont buy that He had Rooney!! He conned man City for 24 million. Moyes has spent money (yeah wisely) but there not doing ought are they really? Has Hodgeson, Pulis, O driscoll etc got Lerner, and is Lerner that rich? Money just helps you do things quicker. Right, and my point is that Moyes has had money to spend! And still gets the biggest praise of any premier leagure manager (within relevance to achievement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I hoped he had learnt the lessons from last season. Seemingly, this "intelligent man" needs the same lesson twice. But will he heed it this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onmeedson Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Exactly!! But lets face it. MON has done what Moyes has done in half the time. Has moyes got Lerner? I dont buy that He had Rooney!! He conned man City for 24 million. Moyes has spent money (yeah wisely) but there not doing ought are they really? Has Hodgeson, Pulis, O driscoll etc got Lerner, and is Lerner that rich? Money just helps you do things quicker. Right, and my point is that Moyes has had money to spend! And still gets the biggest praise of any premier leagure manager (within relevance to achievement). When you have to sell your star player to raise the funds to get the money slightly different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I hope and think that they will. We may not get 4th, but let's go out there and give Spurs, Man City and Liverpool a run for their money and finish the season on a high. Winning the FA cup would be nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 JT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Could have been fans had more faith in moyes putting things right. Exactly!! But lets face it. MON has done what Moyes has done in half the time. Has moyes got Lerner? I dont buy that He had Rooney!! He conned man City for 24 million. Moyes has spent money (yeah wisely) but there not doing ought are they really? Has Hodgeson, Pulis, O driscoll etc got Lerner, and is Lerner that rich? Money just helps you do things quicker. Right, and my point is that Moyes has had money to spend! And still gets the biggest praise of any premier leagure manager (within relevance to achievement). When you have to sell your star player to raise the funds to get the money slightly different I know what your saying but why does the media make out he is so so so good. Am I missing something? He is not the only 1 in his position, and his position is far better than most due to the club he is at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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