Dr_Pangloss Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Whether someone is a hero is dependant upon opinion. For instance the heroic Afghanistan Freedom Fighters who resisted the USSR invasion. The UK and the USA armed them and taught them how to make improvised roadside bombs. They passed on their skills to their murderous terrorist children who resisted the USA invasion. Like it or not, the loser on London Bridge is a hero to some. But I am not sure why we are clashing him as a "Terrorist". Dare I suggest that a white man stabbing people who attended the same conference would be "unhinged", "warped" or "mentally ill". Perhaps because he was convicted 'terrorist' who plotted to bomb the London stock exchange, had extremely close links to Anjem Choudary and has since gone on to murder two people (with the plan presumably to kill more had he not been stopped). Not sure what on earth the point is that you're trying to make. Total nonsense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: But I am not sure why we are clashing him as a "Terrorist". Dare I suggest that a white man stabbing people who attended the same conference would be "unhinged", "warped" or "mentally ill". Erm, he was a convicted terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 He was a convicted terrorist. But this was being called a terrorist incident before anyone knew anything about him. If he'd have stabbed 3 people in his local mosque would that be a terrorist incident? What about if he stabbed 3 black youths in a subway? The press have concluded this was terrorism. It could easily be that he had a personal grudge against certain individuals. At the moment I view him as a murderer who was quite rightly shot dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) Double post. Edited November 30, 2019 by Mandy Lifeboats Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 30, 2019 What on earth would you call a kniife wielding maniac on a killing spree with a fake bomb vest strapped to him? Cosplay? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: He was a convicted terrorist. But this was being called a terrorist incident before anyone knew anything about him. If he'd have stabbed 3 people in his local mosque would that be a terrorist incident? What about if he stabbed 3 black youths in a subway? The press have concluded this was terrorism. It could easily be that he had a personal grudge against certain individuals. At the moment I view him as a murderer who was quite rightly shot dead. It was the police who declared this a terrorist incident fairly early on. If you don't feel you yet have enough information about him to feel comfortable calling him a terrorist then that's up to you I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 30, 2019 For someone of my age, the "only whole brown-skinned people are terrorists" narrative is just sadly lacking in thought. Some of us lived through times where the terrorists were white and were prety much on the news every day of the week. We aren't some colony of the USA just yet 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 30, 2019 It's being reported now that narwhal tusk man is a Polish chef, if you want something more positive to focus on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, bickster said: What on earth would you call a kniife wielding maniac on a killing spree with a fake bomb vest strapped to him? Cosplay? Murderer. Terrorism is the practice of spreading fear and terror amongst the community. Unfortunately the press help the terrorists by spreading that terror. I lived through the era of the IRA pub bombings in Brum. One of my best friends is Irish. He and his family were treated terribly. I saw it happen and it broke my heart. I don't think everyone who commits crime wearing a black balaclava is an IRA terrorist. I don't think every black guy in his 20s who stabs another black guy is a gang member. I don't think every Italian who commits crime whilst wearing a nice suit is in the Mafia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 56 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: He was a convicted terrorist. But this was being called a terrorist incident before anyone knew anything about him. If he'd have stabbed 3 people in his local mosque would that be a terrorist incident? What about if he stabbed 3 black youths in a subway? The press have concluded this was terrorism. It could easily be that he had a personal grudge against certain individuals. At the moment I view him as a murderer who was quite rightly shot dead. I think you're doing a good parody of the sort of nonsense you often read in the Guardian opinion section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: I'd just chop all their hands off. Much cheaper solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: But I am not sure why we are classing him as a "Terrorist". Dare I suggest that a white man stabbing people who attended the same conference would be "unhinged", "warped" or "mentally ill". Aside from being a convicted terrorist, his actions defined the act of terror in current law Something like the act or threat of violence for a religious, political, racial or idealogical cause. The notion that white people don't get called terrorists is wrong as the murderer of Jo Cox was convicted of a terrorist offence as was the bloke who drove a van into worshippers at Finsbury Park mosque. Its just that jihadists are the biggest terrorist threat in the UK at the present time*. Like others have said, back in the 70's and 80's it was the IRA that you would be more concerned about. * source Met Police statement 19/09/19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: had extremely close links to Anjem Choudary Did he? Edited November 30, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 40 minutes ago, snowychap said: Did he? According to reports from the Henry Jackson Society (not sure who they are) he had historic links. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/30/usman-khan-cobridge-stoke-on-trent-neighbours-shock Quote ....The second notorious Islamist preacher accused of helping influence Khan is Anjem Choudary, the infamous leader of the banned but active terrorist group, al-Muhajiroun. Details surfaced on Saturday that Khan was a student and close friend of Choudary. When arrested in 2010, Khan even had Choudary’s private mobile number stored on his phone, according to the Henry Jackson Society, a foreign policy think tank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Xela said: According to reports from the Henry Jackson Society Indeed. Edited December 1, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Xela said: Henry Jackson Society (not sure who they are) An extremely right-wing thinktank focused on immigration and terrorism, who are partly run by alt or far right Spectator columnist Douglas Murray. They have a bad reputation, though of course I don't know whether this claim specifically is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 In all this adulation of the fire extinguisher and tusk guys, lets also make this a time to remember the Scottish guy that beat up a car bomber at Glasgow Airport. We do have some redeeming features between us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 1, 2019 Just now, chrisp65 said: In all this adulation of the fire extinguisher and tusk guys, lets also make this a time to remember the Scottish guy that beat up a car bomber at Glasgow Airport. We do have some redeeming features between us all. Wasn't there a Romanian guy who kept throwing crates at a terrorist somewhere down the line as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Wasn't there a Romanian guy who kept throwing crates at a terrorist somewhere down the line as well? I don’t know, very possibly. I can feel a new Marvel franchise emerging... ...2017 London Bridge... Quote A Romanian baker has been described as one of the heroes of the London Bridge attack after he hit one of the terrorists over the head with a crate before giving shelter to 20 people. Footage shows Romanian Florin Morariu helping a police officer armed with a baton lead a stabbing victim through the carnage to safety. Mr Morariu repeatedly asks for people to bring him weapons so he can fend off further attempted attacks from the terrorists. Edited December 1, 2019 by chrisp65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, bickster said: Wasn't there a Romanian guy who kept throwing crates at a terrorist somewhere down the line as well? That was the other London Bridge attack, last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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