Richard Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I'm sorry but what's the point in banging on about wanting something if it's not possible do you know if it's possible or not? Yes actually I pretty much do, I would be quite willing to bet my mortgage that there isn't a single striker out there who warrants being in the £20-£30M value bracket that would be actually interested in linking up with us. If you think otherwise then I want whatever you're on.......What about the 10M to 20M bracket? Does it have to be 20M to 30M or are these not good enough? Why do you think that they wouldn't be interested in joining us by the way? I think your whole argument is far too prescriptive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 5, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2010 The General has said time and time again that the funds are there if O'Neill requests them. I think the problem is not insufficent money from lerner, just O'Neill's reticence or inability to spend it on a decent striker. I agree that a £30m player is highly unlikely, but there has to be something between that and the £3.5m and £4.5m he spent on Heskey and Harewood. Yes, it's called John Carew and to a slightly lesser extent Ashley Young, two players signed in the same window.......... Ashley Young is a winger, and therefore irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and Carew's official cost was £4.5m as well, the same as Harewood. So, signing players between £4.5m and £30m, surely has to be a possibility. Even for somebody with as poor a record of signing strikers like O'Neill. Randy will fund the fee but not the wages. The wages have to provided by the turnover of Villa and without CL money we cannot afford it, yet. This has always been the way and I feel sure I have read and/or heard statements from the club to support this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 The General has said time and time again that the funds are there if O'Neill requests them. I think the problem is not insufficent money from lerner, just O'Neill's reticence or inability to spend it on a decent striker. I agree that a £30m player is highly unlikely, but there has to be something between that and the £3.5m and £4.5m he spent on Heskey and Harewood. Yes, it's called John Carew and to a slightly lesser extent Ashley Young, two players signed in the same window.......... Ashley Young is a winger, and therefore irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and Carew's official cost was £4.5m as well, the same as Harewood. So, signing players between £4.5m and £30m, surely has to be a possibility. Even for somebody with as poor a record of signing strikers like O'Neill. He is now a winger, which is why I mentioned "to a lesser extent" however, at the point of signature he had been playing up front for Watford and indeed has played up top for us, so not entirely irrelevant I think.......I appreciate that you'll disagree but then that's where difference of interpretation comes into play. Also, wasn't Carew a straight swap for Baros? Baros cost us £6M so.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 I'm sorry but what's the point in banging on about wanting something if it's not possible do you know if it's possible or not? Yes actually I pretty much do, I would be quite willing to bet my mortgage that there isn't a single striker out there who warrants being in the £20-£30M value bracket that would be actually interested in linking up with us. If you think otherwise then I want whatever you're on.......What about the 10M to 20M bracket? Does it have to be 20M to 30M or are these not good enough? Why do you think that they wouldn't be interested in joining us by the way? I think your whole argument is far too prescriptive Because as I thought I had illustrated in the opening post a £10 - £19M striker doesn't seem to necessarily get you very far, Sunderland are below us in the league and yet have spent over £20M on their two up top, Citeh are only marginally ahead of us having spent upwards of £40M on strikers, Spurs are only marginally ahead of us having spent around £30M on strikers (again not including Pavlyuchenko), the genuine top strikers, which is what I believe we are crying out for (not flash in the pan players, people who are great for two weeks then shit for two weeks, i.e. guaranteed 20 goals a season), will cost upwards of £20M, feel free to disagree, I already know you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I would, and enthusiastically, but it would be like Portsmouth after the first few games of this season. You obviously have some sort of points you'd like to make, it's probably better to let you try and make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Nearly all of us agree that we could use reliable striker. If the question is: "Can we afford to buy a reliable striker from any of our rivals?" Then I think the answer is a clear no. But if we're clever about it, there should be no reason why we can't FIND one. Thierry Henry, Didier Drogba, etc. all came from somewhere (I think!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 5, 2010 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2010 There seems to be quite a hullabaloo about this Chamakh bloke that Arsenal are seemingly no longer interested in. Perhaps a sneaky bid there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Also, wasn't Carew a straight swap for Baros? Baros cost us £6M so.......... Yes he was, but then amortisation rears its ugly head, and the value of Baros on the books at the time was £4.5m, so that's what the transaction was recorded at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salsa Party Animal Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Think we should look for a ready made partnership aboard and bring the pair. We need to borrow Arsene Wenger's scouting book. If MON is good friend with Fabio Capello (Hopefully) he must know someone who can do the job for us and help to improve the team with lot of English players. He know our system and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 i hate threads that ask one question in the header, and then a completely different one in the poll question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The General has said time and time again that the funds are there if O'Neill requests them. I think the problem is not insufficent money from lerner, just O'Neill's reticence or inability to spend it on a decent striker. I agree that a £30m player is highly unlikely, but there has to be something between that and the £3.5m and £4.5m he spent on Heskey and Harewood. you used to say that MON had an inability to sign a decent defender and surprise the better we do the better quality of defender we sign. I think after another decent season the next striker signed will be a level up than hardwood and heskey. Good premiership goal scorers are not easy to find or sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The General has said time and time again that the funds are there if O'Neill requests them. I think the problem is not insufficent money from lerner, just O'Neill's reticence or inability to spend it on a decent striker. I agree that a £30m player is highly unlikely, but there has to be something between that and the £3.5m and £4.5m he spent on Heskey and Harewood. you used to say that MON had an inability to sign a decent defender and surprise the better we do the better quality of defender we sign. That's bollocks though isn't it? Firstly, Curtis Davies remains our most expensive player. Secondly, as excellent as Collins has turned out to be, let's not kid ourselves that he was a big name signing attracted to us ahead of other teams by our improvement. He was a West Ham reserve who poxy Stoke were interested in as well. And Dunne would still be at City if they hadn't bought Lescott. I'm glad O'Neill's sorted the defence but when it comes to signing strikers, he's been hopeless. He may address that in future of course, but he should have this summer just gone. I said throughout that we needed another striker, and that's what's come to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Voted Yes, as I believe either Kenny Jones or Big Carlton would improve us as a first 11, and are both affordable and gettable. heskey has been OK for us for a few games recently, but that is all, and he hasn't had the effect MON would have hoped, I guess. Carew now just looks disinterested and half fit. Be nice to see someone of their ilk come in to relieve the burden on gabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The General has said time and time again that the funds are there if O'Neill requests them. I think the problem is not insufficent money from lerner, just O'Neill's reticence or inability to spend it on a decent striker. I agree that a £30m player is highly unlikely, but there has to be something between that and the £3.5m and £4.5m he spent on Heskey and Harewood. you used to say that MON had an inability to sign a decent defender and surprise the better we do the better quality of defender we sign. That's bollocks though isn't it? Firstly, Curtis Davies remains our most expensive player. Stewart Downing, surely? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 ARSENAL - Average Goal Per Min Per Strikeforce - 119.5 Van Persie (958/7) 136.85mins/goal Eduardo (961/4) 240.25 Bendtner (360/1) 360 Vela (115/0) ~ ASTON VILLA Avg-250.57 Agbonlahor (1786/8) 223.25 Carew (1012/4) 253 Heskey (687/2) 343.5 Delfouneso (23/0) ~ BLUES - Avg - 451.4 Benitez (1228/2) 614 Jerome (1139/4) 284.75 McFadden (1440/2) 720 O'Connor (558/1) 558 Phillips (149/1) 149 BLACKBURN - Avg - 585.43 Roberts (921/3) 307 Di Santo (995/1) 995 Diouf (1186/2) 593 McCarthy (623/1) 623 Kalinic (373/0) ~ BOLTON - Avg- 240.81 Davies (1530/3) 510 Klasnic (653/6) 108.833 Elmander (466/2) 233 BURNLEY - Avg - 398.7 Fletcher (1631/5) 326.2 Blake (1206/2) 603 Nugent (648/3) 216 Paterson (403/0) ~ Thompson (99/0) ~ CHELSEA - Avg - 161.21 Drogba (1579/14) 112.78 Anelka (1331/5) 266.2 Sturridge (153/0) ~ EVERTON - Avg - 184.33 Saha (1178/10) 117.8 Jo (521/0) ~ Yakubu (498/1) 498 Vaughan (15/1) 15 FULHAM - Avg - 310.66 Zamora (1380/6) 230 Neveland (557/2) 278.5 Kamara (436/1) 436 Johnson (423/0) ~ HULL - Avg - 741.25 Vennegoor (617/2) 308.5 Altidore (725/0) ~ Fagan (678/1) 678 Ghilas (565/1) 565 Folan (301/0) ~ Cousin (79/0) ~ LIVERPOOL - Avg - 113.875 Torres (1201/12) 100.08 Ngog (412/4) 103 Voronin (209/0) ~ MAN CITY - Avg - 193 Tevez (1423/9) 158.11 Bellamy (1171/6) 195.16 Adebayor (1117/6) 186.16 Santa Cruz (262/2) 131 Robinho (466/0) ~ MAN UTD - Avg - 149.27 Rooney (1627/14) 116.21 Berbatov (1088/6) 181.33 Owen (428/2) 214 Wellbeck (141/0) ~ PORTSMOUTH - Avg - 455.28 Piquionne (1144/3) 381.33 Dindane (887/4) 221.75 Kanu (455/0) ~ Smith (635/0) ~ Webber (66/0) ~ STOKE - Avg - 458.33 Fuller (1210/1) 1210 Beattie (770/3) 256.66 Kitson (445/2) 222.5 Sidibe (325/0) ~ SUNDERLAND - Avg - 192.78 Bent (1781/13) 137 Jones (1129/6) 188.16 Campbell (717/0) ~ Healy (36/0) ~ TOTTENHAM - Avg - 156.625 Defoe (1361/14) 97.21 Crouch (1291/4) 322.75 Keane (1041/6) 173.5 Pav (66/0) ~ WEST HAM - Avg - 223 Cole (1066/7) 152.28 Diamanti (918/5) 183.6 Franco (978/3) 326 Hines (606/1) 606 WIGAN - Avg - 442.875 Rodallega (1646/7) 235.14 Scotland (1603/0) ~ Sinclair (294/1) 294 WOLVES - Avg - 492.75 Doyle (1302/5) 260.4 Ebanks-Blake (910/1) 910 Keogh (678/1) 678 Ward (620/0) ~ Iwelumo (245/0) ~ Maierhofer (187/1) 187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The General has said time and time again that the funds are there if O'Neill requests them. I think the problem is not insufficent money from lerner, just O'Neill's reticence or inability to spend it on a decent striker. I agree that a £30m player is highly unlikely, but there has to be something between that and the £3.5m and £4.5m he spent on Heskey and Harewood. you used to say that MON had an inability to sign a decent defender and surprise the better we do the better quality of defender we sign. That's bollocks though isn't it? Firstly, Curtis Davies remains our most expensive player. Stewart Downing, surely? :? Sorry, meant defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Looking at it that way ours are behind Arsenal, Bolton, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, City, United, Sunderland, Spurs, West Ham. Thats ten teams! Acceptable, probably not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 At the present time I don't think we can afford or attract the great forwards that some of the other clubs have. However, I do feel that we could attract forwards that could do the job. This would include the likes of Keane. I would love RVN, however I can't see him signing for us at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 I would, and enthusiastically, but it would be like Portsmouth after the first few games of this season. You obviously have some sort of points you'd like to make, it's probably better to let you try and make them. And you have the audacity to accuse me of trying to "score points"! A while back I would have bitten by now....but **** it, we're all adults here allegedly, I believe I've made my points fairly clearly, or at least my point anyway, I'm sure others haven't had quite as much difficulty in keeping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Bit unambitious but Kevin Prince Boateng of Portsmouth has looked good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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