Dr_Pangloss Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: Well yeah, if Fury jumped in the ring right now he could lose to anyone but if he gets a couple of tuneups under his belt I would still back him to beat anyone in the division. Time is still very much on his side. I'm not so sure. Permanent damage may have been done. Time will tell, but I would be surprised if he's the same fighter. I expect his speed and reflexes to have declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 32 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I'm not so sure. Permanent damage may have been done. Time will tell, but I would be surprised if he's the same fighter. I expect his speed and reflexes to have declined. Maybe but if it hasn't he can cause wilder and Joshua problems if he can get back to his best. I still maintain though wilder vs Joshua is too tough to call. One of the most "it could go either way" fights. I think AJ should have one fight in the states before wilder. Maybe against pulev get his name out there before he fights ovee there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: One of those defeats Lewis was clearly unwell you could see it. But rematch Lewis humilated him. Fury has no chin though wilder would absolutely knock him out with that right hand. Fury is a smarter boxer than wilder though. Id love to see that fight Wilder would struggle to hit Fury in a phone box . As for Fury being chinny, I've only ever seen on the floor once, and he seemed more embarrassed than dazed. When Fury is in the zone, he's a nightmare for any heavyweight On 03/03/2018 at 19:25, Xela said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, AVFCDAN said: Can't think of anyone in the division that beats Fury to be honest. The look of disgust you get from people when you casually mention that Fury would school Joshua is priceless. It's like the whole Frank Bruno thing again. Joshua has become the darling of the nation, and no one will have a bad word about him. That's why Lennox didn't get the recognition he deserved, in this country. They thought he was trying to steal Frank's thunder. Incidentally, I thought Bruno's best ever performance was in his defeat to Lewis, his jab was a thing of beauty that night, just a shame his punch resistance didn't match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 49 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Wilder would struggle to hit Fury in a phone box . As for Fury being chinny, I've only ever seen on the floor once, and he seemed more embarrassed than dazed. When Fury is in the zone, he's a nightmare for any heavyweight As much as I’m not a fan of wilder I don’t see how you can say that when he has hit every opponent he has faced and ko ed them all. Even a skilful fighter like Ortiz couldn’t avoid that swing. i think fury could beat him on points by his unorthodox style and clearly a more intelligent boxer than wilder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: As much as I’m not a fan of wilder I don’t see how you can say that when he has hit every opponent he has faced and ko ed them all. Even a skilful fighter like Ortiz couldn’t avoid that swing. i think fury could beat him on points by his unorthodox style and clearly a more intelligent boxer than wilder Mike Tyson was knocking everyone out until he met James Tillis, who nullified his power with his defensive boxing skills. Same with Ali, when he beat Foreman, no matter how hard the punch, if it doesn't land cleanly it's not going to have the desired effect. At the very top, you need more than just a big punch. I think Parker could turn out to be more effective than Wilder when it comes to giving Joshua problems. We'll have to wait and see. Edited March 5, 2018 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 5, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said: It's like the whole Frank Bruno thing again. Joshua has become the darling of the nation, and no one will have a bad word about him. That's why Lennox didn't get the recognition he deserved, in this country. They thought he was trying to steal Frank's thunder. I think Lennox really suffered from boxing disappearing from terrestrial TV screens at a time where Sky wasn't a big thing - Bruno vs Tyson I think was on the BBC, but shortly afterwards, boxing pretty much disappeared for a decade - there were no streams, no youtube, you either had Sky or you didn't and at that time, most people didn't. Boxing was particularly badly affected and Lennox was one of those who suffered most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I think Lennox really suffered from boxing disappearing from terrestrial TV screens at a time where Sky wasn't a big thing - Bruno vs Tyson I think was on the BBC, but shortly afterwards, boxing pretty much disappeared for a decade - there were no streams, no youtube, you either had Sky or you didn't and at that time, most people didn't. Boxing was particularly badly affected and Lennox was one of those who suffered most. My point with Lennox was that he never really endeared himself to the British public in the way Bruno did. Exposure, or lack of it probably played some part also the trans - Atlantic accent coupled with the fact he represented Canada at the Olympic games, you know how touchy the British can be in regard to such things. For all the talent Lewis possessed, and their was plenty, he at times could come across as quite dull, especially in comparison to dear old Frank, hence the Uncle Tom insult he fired at Bruno in the build up to their fight, which I thought was a very spiteful insult, it certainly fired Frank up as it would any self - respecting black man. I think Lewis was quite envious of the love Frank got, understandably so, IMO . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I think Lennox really suffered from boxing disappearing from terrestrial TV screens at a time where Sky wasn't a big thing - Bruno vs Tyson I think was on the BBC, but shortly afterwards, boxing pretty much disappeared for a decade - there were no streams, no youtube, you either had Sky or you didn't and at that time, most people didn't. Boxing was particularly badly affected and Lennox was one of those who suffered most. The Rahman fight was on BBC though, worked out well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I'm not so sure. Permanent damage may have been done. Time will tell, but I would be surprised if he's the same fighter. I expect his speed and reflexes to have declined. Physical damage or mental ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Physical damage or mental ? Physical, his lifestyle, which included heavy alcohol abuse, cocaine abuse and blowing himself up to the point of obesity will most likely diminish things like his reflexes and speed. I fully expect a slower Fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 5, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said: My point with Lennox was that he never really endeared himself to the British public in the way Bruno did. Exposure, or lack of it probably played some part also the trans - Atlantic accent coupled with the fact he represented Canada at the Olympic games, you know how touchy the British can be in regard to such things. I think you're right in that the accent and the partly Canadian feeling didn't play well with the British public, but I think when boxing largely disappeared from our screens, it had a huge impact. I like boxing, I've always liked boxing - I never saw a Lennox Lewis fight live - most of the Lewis fights I've seen have been since he retired on youtube. I think Sky taking boxing away from the British public made a massive impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Physical, his lifestyle, which included heavy alcohol abuse, cocaine abuse and blowing himself up to the point of obesity will most likely diminish things like his reflexes and speed. I fully expect a slower Fury. Without those assets, he may as well call it a day, his comeback fight Will be interesting. I think he'll be good enough to beat most heavyweights, whether he can climb to the very top is another thing entirely. I'm not a great fan of his style tbh, but it gets the job done, as Klitschko found to his cost, but as a spectacle that fight was ugly. The one thing he does have, in abundance, is character ,which can be a great asset in a sport like boxing. He can certainly sell a fight, hence the demand for him to fight Joshua, who, I think he beats . I hope the fire is still burning. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) Reports surfacing that Canelo has tested positive for clenbuterol LOL Edited March 5, 2018 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I think you're right in that the accent and the partly Canadian feeling didn't play well with the British public, but I think when boxing largely disappeared from our screens, it had a huge impact. I like boxing, I've always liked boxing - I never saw a Lennox Lewis fight live - most of the Lewis fights I've seen have been since he retired on youtube. I think Sky taking boxing away from the British public made a massive impact. It didn't deter Nas or restrict his popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Reports surfacing that Canelo has tested positive for clenbuterol LOL "Contaminated meat" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 contaminated meat is always the excuse, can't really prove it one way or the other but unless he is half-man half-drug they are not going to cancel the fight. Too much money involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Them damn Mexican cows again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 To be fair it is possible and there was a FIFA underage tournament a few years ago in Mexico where over half the players tested failed due to contaminated meat. That being said I'm always cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Reports surfacing that Canelo has tested positive for clenbuterol LOL Can't wait to hear the excuse. Hope it's not the old chestnut, blood pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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