The "Witton Lane" Boxing Chat Thread

[Gabby15]

Khan's July fight is off

[TheWalletInspector]

Isn't that what the first line of your last post said?

[Gabby15]

Isn't that what the first line of your last post said?

No, because it was confirmed by Schaefer just now which made my second post more important and necessary.

[Witton_Lane]

Khan's July fight is off

Not allowed to take PED's during Ramadan then?

[Gabby15]

Khan's July fight is off

Not allowed to take PED's during Ramadan then?

Wonder if he'd agree to testing for a Floyd fight....or would the Dope Coach shit himself at the thought again? 8)

[Witton_Lane]

Khan's July fight is off

Not allowed to take PED's during Ramadan then?

Wonder if he'd agree to testing for a Floyd fight....or would the Dope Coach shit himself at the thought again? 8)

I get the feeling he'd use the drug test demands as an excuse, hence the talk about him fighting Floyd in 12 months time. He'll talk about it and then back out when Floyd asks him to prove he's clean - even if he is clean, it gives him an excuse to not get his ugly face smashed in.

Khan is becoming a bit of a Slappy Joe part 2 to me, avoiding all hard punchers at every turn and the only good names he's going for are all **** geriatrics.

[TheWalletInspector]

Khan is becoming a bit of a Slappy Joe part 2 to me, avoiding all hard punchers at every turn and the only good names he's going for are all **** geriatrics.

I was thinking that earlier. Can see him waiting until late as possible to go anywhere near Marquez.

[Gabby15]

Do you think it's Khan himself or the people around him who would keep him away from threats?

Audley got that A-Force Meth.

[TheWalletInspector]

Do you think it's Khan himself or the people around him who would keep him away from threats?

Audley got that A-Force Meth.

People around him tbf. Although I don't remember him demanding a rematch with Prescott.

The one they use in the military?

[Witton_Lane]

Do you think it's Khan himself or the people around him who would keep him away from threats?

Audley got that A-Force Meth.

Combination of the 2 probably. If you check back far enough you'll see that I was saying way before the Prescott fight that I suspected Khan got KO'd on a regular basis in sparring which is why Warren was being even more cautious than normal with his latest cash cow. Sure shaky specky retard Roach has improved his defence a bit but what exactly has he faced in the way of danger since the Prescott fight, in terms of guys that can actually hit him and hurt him? I honestly thought Barrera would slaughter him when that fight was announced but I obviously wasn't privy to the word around the American gyms like Roach was, he knew Barrera was shot to shit...of course he was fighting well above his natural weight as well which didn't help matters but even then they were BEGGING the referee to stop that fight after 4 rounds to claim the win, Barrera actually wobbled Khan a couple of times in that fight despite losing every round.

His other opponents since then have all been pretty feather-fisted and/or crude so they've been pretty safe bets with his new style. As was mentioned Marquez would be horrible right now for Khan, as would Katsidis, as would Pac or Floyd (as if they need to be mentioned in the same breath)

As I said, I think he'll take the Slappy Joe route for about 3 years now, easy money and you just know that the Asian community over here will back him to the hilt like they did Hamed while the real boxing fans fume about what a dodging word removed he is. Sad but that's the state of the sport right now.

[Gabby15]

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer confirmed BoxingScene.com's story from Thursday - that Amir Khan's scheduled return on July 31 has been put off until December. Schaefer told Ron Lewis of the Times Online that a meeting was held with Sky TV and a July date was not the best direction.

“After the World Cup and during the holidays is not a good time to do pay-per-view,” Schaefer said. “Given the success of the Malignaggi fight, which got great viewing figures in America, it might not be the best thing to have a poor pay-per-view. Better to wait.”

There are three options that include Juan Manuel Marquez [if he beats Juan Diaz next month], Marcos Maidana and Joel Casamayor. Khan and his trainer Freddie Roach are pressing to land Maidana, but Schaefer says a fight against Marquez would be a bigger fight for the British star.

“Amir and Freddie Roach tell me they want Maidana, but I think Márquez, if he beats Juan Diaz in their rematch will be bigger,” Schaefer said. “That fight could be in England or the US.”

[Gabby15]

A typical boxing press conference today at Scottrade Center in St. Louis suddenly turned raucous after undefeated unified 140-pound world champion Devon Alexander’s trainer Kevin Cunningham told former WBA junior welterweight champion Andriy Kotelnik, a Ukrainian making his first visit to America, “That’s a long way to come for an ass whuppin.’ Kotelnik responded “There will be an ass kicking, but St. Louis will be surprised who will be doing it.”

Alexander (20-0, 13 KOs), from St. Louis, will put his WBC and IBF crowns on the line against Kotelnik (31-3-1, 13 KOs) in an Aug. 7 world championship doubleheader that will also feature undefeated IBF light heavyweight champion Tavoris “Thunder” Cloud (20-0, 18 KOs), from Tallahassee, Fla., taking on former IBF world champion Glen Johnson, from Jamaica now fighting out of Miami.

Kotelnik did not take kindly to Cunningham’s comments on behalf of Alexander.

“They say it’s a long way to come for an ass kicking, but I have a question for Devon Alexander after his people have made all these boasts,” Kotelnik said. “Will Devon come back and fight me in a rematch in the Ukraine after I kick his ass?

Cunningham had more for Kotelnik.

“I never make predictions, and I wasn’t going to tell the public this, but I just told my team last week that Devon’s going to knock out Kotelnik in two rounds. We’re kicking his ass.”

Alexander was more reserved in his comments.

“Kotelnik is a good, solid fighter. But I’m a better fighter. His time has come and gone. He was a champion but he’s not anymore, and he’s certainly not going to be champion after this fight.

Cunningham, before he made his bolder comments, spoke of how proud he is of Alexander.

“Devon is the perfect example of what you can do with hard work and dedication,” Cunningham said. “He was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He wasn’t even the best fighter in my gym, but look at him now. Look at what hard work and remembering to rise above your circumstances can do.”

Promoter Don King was his normal effusive self.

“So you know, what we have is here is like when Dorothy clicked her heels in the Wizard of Oz, like when Marvin Gayle said, ‘Something’s Goin’ On,’ we’ve got something big going on in St. Louis on Aug. 7,” King said. “Two world championships already, and I’m not done building the card yet.”

Light heavyweight world champion Cloud said his fight with Johnson will be a good one.

“Glen comes right at you and nobody will be running in this fight,” Cloud said. “That’s not my style. Glen is a good fighter and so am I. St. Louis will get more than their money’s worth come Aug. 7.”

Johnson’s thoughts were much the same as Cloud’s in summing up their fight.

“I see a lot of similarity in my style and Tavoris Cloud’s style,” Johnson said. “He likes to come forward and so do I. We’re both going into the kitchen to do some cooking, and St. Louis will get the meal.”

Tickets priced at $17.50, $35, $70, $150 and $300 went on sale this morning at Scottrade Center Box Office, all Ticketmaster Ticket Centers, by phone at 1-800-745-3000, or online at ticketmaster.com. A per ticket facility fee will be added to all tickets purchased at all locations, including at the Scottrade Center Box Office. Additional Ticketmaster service charges and handling fees apply. For disabled seating, call 314-622-5420. The event is being promoted by Don King Productions, and doors will open at 5:30 p.m. followed by a full undercard. The above-mentioned world championships will be televised live on HBO’s Boxing After Dark beginning at 10 p.m. ET/PT (9 p.m. CT). Cloud vs. Johnson is presented in association with DiBella Entertainment and Warriors Boxing Promotions.

I love Devon Alexander, IMO he's a great fighter & the top guy at 140 these days. Lots more potential there as well

[Gabby15]

I've got a hustler flow

For $50 mil [million]

I will drink Manny Pacquiao's blood

And watch my muscles grow

You bitch!

Royce Da 5'9>>>>>Balquiao

[TheWalletInspector]

Sergio Martinez-Paul Williams Rematch Pushed By HBO

In his most recent victory in April at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, Sergio Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KOs) dethroned 28-year-old WBC and WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik (36-2, 32 knockouts) in front of Pavlik's fans despite being outweighed ,178 to 167, by fight time and facing a perceived disadvantage in power.

Prior to Pavlik, Martinez took a nearly 10-year, unbeaten mark of 28-0-1, with 18 knockouts into a disputed, December majority decision loss to former three-time titlist, Paul Williams (39-1, 27 KOs) in a clash of southpaws and a Fight of the Year candidate during which each boxer was floored in the first round.

In return, Martinez, who also still owns the WBC junior middleweight and middleweight belts, has been offered only a bout with Williams by HBO as an alternative, according to his promoter Lou DiBella.

"If Paul goes to 147, then, obviously, there is no fight that can be made. But I don't believe that Paul Williams is afraid of Sergio. And I've got to tell you -- and I said this right after the fight in Atlantic City -- that I don't really want that fight now. But ultimately, I don't have a choice what fight the networks will choose," said DiBella.

"But I don't want that fight. My guy has fought three giants in a row -- Kermit Cintron, Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik. So I don't think that he should have to fight Paul Williams again," said DiBella. "Not only that, clearly, clearly, the two best fighters in the world at 154, and, 160, are Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams."

DiBella would like to see Martinez against unbeaten, 24-year-old Vanes Martirosyan (28-0, 17 KOs), 27-year-old WBO interim junior middleweight king, Alfredo Angulo (18-1, 15 KOs), or WBA middleweight champ, Felix Sturm (33-2-1, 14 KOs).

"There's a whole talent pool at 154 and 160. There's Angulo, there's Martirosyan, there's Miguel Cotto, there's Shane Mosley," said DiBella. "I mean, why shouldn't these guys -- Serio Martinez and Paul Williams -- get an opportunity to clean out the division of other guys who are considered the best before fighting each other again? Why have them fight each other again, so that the two of the best guys in two division can knock each other off again? Why should an Angulo be exempt from fighting the best? Why should Cotto be? Why is Martirosyan on HBO's World Championship boxing if he's not good enough to fight the best?"

Justice for Sergio!

[rjw63]

three-time titlist

Sounds pervy

[Gabby15]

There is continued talk that Olympic Gold medal winner Audley Harrison will become the fighter to meet WBA heavyweight champion David Haye in either October or November. Both Klitschko brothers want to fight Haye, but the British fighter may elect to meet his countryman instead.

Former champion Barry Mcguigan was quoted by Golzka as stating that he believes Harrison has a chance to beat Haye. The public is giving Harrison the status of a "big underdog" in a Haye fight. Mcguigan gives Harrison a chance to win if he lands his big punch on Haye's questionable chin. The former champ is not sure if Harrison has the courage to go punch for punch with Haye.

"Harrison, who has vacated the European heavyweight title, is trying to fill the void created by the failure of the Klitschko brothers to strike a deal with David Haye. You can't say he hasn't got a chance. On the strength of the punch that knocked out Sprott, he has a chance against any. The question is does he have the courage to stand in punching range? Only he can provide that proof," Mcguigan said.

"It would be marvellous were he to pull it off. Every Olympic champ wants a shot at the world title. It seems the natural progression. The difference with Harrison is that he thought he could rewrite the rule book."

Let's go Team Harrison!!!

The new WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto is open to a future rematch with Mexican rival Antonio Margarito. The tough Mexican handed Cotto his first career loss in 2008 with a TKO in eleven rounds.

Quotes by Golzka, Cotto said he was open to fighting Margarito again if the Mexican's license issue is corrected. Margarito's license to box was taken away in February 2009 by the boxing commission in the state of California. Margarito was found guilty of loading his gloves before a scheduled fight with Shane Mosley in January 2009.

The battle between Cotto and Margarito took place at welterweight. At the present both rivals are fighting at 154-pounds. Margarito would have to reclaim his license to box in the United States for a Cotto rematch to happen.

"If he settles the issue with his suspension and the money is right, it's possible," Cotto said.

Sweeeeet 8)

Retired super middleweight king Joe Calzaghe will review the urge to make a ring return if the right offer comes along. A rematch with Bernard Hopkins is not the kind of offer to make Calzaghe return to the ring. Calzaghe retired not long after beating Roy Jones in November 2008.

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer had recently spoken with Calzaghe regarding a comeback and tried to put together a rematch with Hopkins. The Welsh fighter passed on the comeback chance. Hopkins claims he was robbed in his close decision loss to Calzaghe in early 2008. The claims by Hopkins don't matter because Calzaghe doesn't see anything worthy in a Hopkins rematch to tempt a ring return.

“I am retired, simple as that,” Calzaghe said to Wales Online. “There has been a lot of speculation about me coming back, but when I said I was retiring I meant it. I am happy retired. I would be a fool to come back now. I am 38 and I am enjoying my time with my family, my kids. That’s it definitely.”

“[Hopkins is] a 45-year-old man who just doesn’t bring anything to the table, so he can keep on as much as he likes. I suppose he’s going to do that because he lost. Boxing has given me a great life and I am grateful for that, but I do not miss it. I miss beating people up and getting paid for it though. There are people I’d like to beat up now but I can’t!”

Inbred cokehead

Just hours before the Boston Celtics tied the NBA Finals series when they defeated the Los Angeles Lakers yesterday, Oscar De La Hoya revealed that negotiations for a mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are close to being finalized. Speaking to Spanish sport show República Deportiva via satellite in front of the STAPLES Centers, De La Hoya briefly talked about the current status of negotiations and, with a grin on his face, hinted that the two sides were extremely close to making the biggest fight in boxing a reality. "These negotiations have been real difficult for various reasons, but we're really close to finalizing the contracts, even though they've been complicated," he commented.

Of course, De La Hoya's comments were cryptic at best, reminding the viewing audience that he wasn't at liberty to talk about negotiations, however, on several occassions, he did stress that they were close to making the mega-bout a done deal. "But I think that both fighters realize that this fight has to happen because the fans want this fight and today it is biggest fight in boxing right now. It's a huge fight and I think that we're really, really close to finalizing the negotiations for the contract," De La Hoya added. "Today, I can't really talk about the negotations, but we're really close."

It should be noted, however, that when it comes to this particular bout, De La Hoya actually has very little to do with the negotiations. Although he likely has second-hand knowledge of the proceedings, it's actually Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer and Top Rank President Todd duBoef who have been doing the majority of the talking, albeit their strings are likely being pulled behind the scenes by Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum and Mayweather adviser Al Haymon. Whether or not the two sides actually are close to coming to terms remains to be seen, however, those that are looking for a positive sign can take De La Hoya's comments for what they're worth.

Won't believe it until I see Manny laid out on the canvas or Roach pulling him out

[Gabby15]

Update on Valero from Fischer's mailbag

I’m still in a funk regarding Valero’s death. I wouldn’t be shocked if some outside foul play was involved with the murder-suicide, but my gut tells me that Valero had spun hopelessly out of control from the time of his second title victory (vs. Antonio Pitalua). It all came crashing down with the violent quickness of one of his right hooks.

I was recently talking to a South American source of mine, who was close to Valero for many years until they had a falling out (which happened with most of the fighter’s friends and advisers). He told me that Valero suffered from “ezquizofrenia.” I’d never heard of it, but he told me it was the Spanish word for schizophrenia -- a severe psychotic disorder characterized by a loss of contact with reality and disintegration of the personality. He told me Valero was diagnosed with it when he returned to Venezuela following his stay in Japan.

He told me Valero was on medication to treat the illness for a time but he took himself off of it and it wasn’t long before he was “self-medicating” with every illegal drug known to man. My friend said Valero had become increasingly paranoid and hostile around his own family. He thought his younger brother was having an affair with his wife. No kidding, Valero was off on some Jake LaMotta s__t. Rumor has it Valero and his younger brother, Luis, got into a fight over this allegation before the Antonio DeMarco fight and I was told that Luis knocked Edwin out.

By the way, Luis, who is 19 and has had some amateur fights, is planning to turn pro. He’s a 130 pounder and I’ve been told he’s got Edwin’s power with the moves of Jorge Linares. His nickname is “El Poder,” The Power.

Let’s hope he has the power of self-control or the willingness to get help if he ever needs it. That was Valero’s downfall.

[TheWalletInspector]

Cotto vs Margarito

Bit late but... Cotto's yankee apparel

[Gabby15]

WBA champion Yuriorkis Gamboa, of Miami by way of Cuba, will likely face newly-crowned IBF king, Orlando Salido, of Ciudad Obregon, Sonora, Mex., in a unification bout on July 24 at the Palms Casino Resort, in Las Vegas, Gamboa's manager, Tony Gonzalez, informed FanHouse moments ago.

Gonzalez said that there was a consideration for a bout with 30-year-old, interim WBA super featherweight (130 pounds) titlist, Jorge Solis (39-2-2, 28 knockouts).

But Gonzalez said that the 28-year-old Gamboa (18-0, 15 KOs) chose the 29-year-old Salido (34-10-2, 22 KOs) after reviewing a video of Salido's September, 2004, unanimous decision, featherweight loss to Juan Manuel Marquez, the latter of whom is now the WBA and WBO lightweight (135 pounds) titlist.

"Coincidentally, last week, we were looking at Solis, and Yuriorkis and I were watching the video of the fight with Marquez at the featherweight division. Yuriorkis feels that Salido's style is very well suited for him," said Gonzalez, who helped Gamboa defect from Cuba, for whom he was an Olympic gold medalist.

"That was four, five years ago that Salido was fighting Marquez, and he was slow then, and Yuriorkis caught on to that. So if he was slow then, he's probably slower now," said Gonzalez. "Salido's a world champion, and if God allows us to, and we win, then he wins another belt. So it's looking more and more like Salido, and a way for us to get another strap around our waist. We would be the IBF champ."

Gamboa is coming off of last month's lopsided, 12-round unanimous decision over previously unbeaten Jonathan Victor Barros (28-1-1, 16 KOs) in the third defense of his title.

Prior to that, Gamboa had scored a second-round knockout of Tanzanian-born Rogers Mtagwa (26-14-2 18 KOs), dropping him once in the first round and twice in the second before referee Steve Smoger waved an end to the fight at 2:35 at Madison Square Garden's WaMu Theater in New York.

Before facing Mtagwa, Gamboa had impressively disposed of Whyber Garcia (22-7, 15 KOs), starting Garcia's demise with a left-right combination that dropped the oncoming challenger face-first on the canvas early in the round.

Salido is coming off of last month's split-decision, featherweight rematch of world champions that dethroned then-IBF titlist, Cristobal Cruz, of Tijuana, Mex., in Salido's hometown of Ciudad Obregon, Sonora, Mex., at Estadio "Tomás Oroz Gaytán.

Salido won for the third striaght time, while the 32-year-old Cruz slipped to 39-12-2, with 23 knockouts. Salido's last loss had come against Cruz, who defeated him by split-decision in October of 2008 for the vacant IBF crown.

The win over Salido was part of a run of 5-0-1 by Cruz that ended with the loss in their return bout which also stopped his run of three straight title defenses.

Cruz had been among the possible names mentioned as opponents for fellow featherweights such as Gamboa, WBA super champion, Chris John (43-0-2, 22 KOs), 26-year-old southpaw WBO titlist, Juan Manuel Lopez (28-0, 25 KOs), and WBC king, Elio Rojas (22-1, 23 KOs).

The victory over Barros ended Gamboa's run of seven consecutive knockouts.

"It's not the first time that he's gone the distance, but it is the first time that he's gone the distance in a championship fight. So I think that it was good for Yuriorkis to have to go the distance. It's something for experience. You know, after all, he still has less than 20 professional fights. So that's definitely good for him to have experienced that to keep in touch with what it's like to have to go 12 rounds," said Gonzalez.

"If there's an opponent or a fighter that is not going to go down once he gets hit, then that's something that he's going to have to keep in the back of his mind. If anything, it makes him train harder because that way, he knows that if it's not going to be a one or two round blowout, that he can adjust and go the distance," said Gonzalez. "He knows that he has to get his conditioning down for 12 rounds. So, yeah, it does help him for that, and I think that that's something that he's learned from this past fight, which is invaluable at this point in his career."

I like Yuri, cracking fighter

[Gabby15]

Iron boy 8)