tonyh29 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 since we are going OT and Unemployment ... A total of 10.6 million people either did not have a job, or have stopped looking for one, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics, which indicated that more people than ever before had abandoned the workplace – choosing instead to study, go on sick leave or just give up searching for a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 If that were a proper court of law then Brown committed Perjury and would be held in contempt Simples .......No he wouldn't at all. To do that you have to make a statement that is deliberately false - simples! Law The deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony under oath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 since we are going OT and Unemployment ... A total of 10.6 million people either did not have a job, or have stopped looking for one, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics, which indicated that more people than ever before had abandoned the workplace – choosing instead to study, go on sick leave or just give up searching for a job yes but labour will say as a percentage of the population it's not that bad. because under conservative government 20 years ago it was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 To do that you have to make a statement that is deliberately false The deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony the prosecution rests as the defence have done it for him ..... remind me not to hire you as my defence lawyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 since we are going OT and Unemployment ... A total of 10.6 million people either did not have a job, or have stopped looking for one, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics, which indicated that more people than ever before had abandoned the workplace – choosing instead to study, go on sick leave or just give up searching for a job Well considering the darling of many a elderly and I suspect some of the Young Belizers fantasies Theresa said the results were Obviously it's very... it's welcome news that unemployment figures are going down, it would seem that the view of the Tory party and the Lib Dems somewhat differ from yours. Also great spin again on your use of figures there 10.6 million do not have a job - have the people who ever satisfied the criteria you talk about been included in jobless figures? Or is this another desperate spin? There are too many people out of work - and that is the ones who want to work. The fact is that will always be the case even if just 1 person is like that. In world recessions (note: loved the comment today about a Labour recession - what a pile of crap - but a perfect marketing tactic) the numbers of people out of work go up. When you see large companies pandering to the shareholders and getting rid of people becomes a fashion it only adds to the problem. Today in parliament Dave tried to say that Brown should be condemning the unions at BA for calling a strike. Typical Tory coming out and now its good to see that a vote for them would be a return to the Thatcher days of "crush the workers". No mention of condemnation for Walsh and his continued destruction of LondonAirways and the numbers of people he has put out of work. As this election game continues the true colours of Cameron and Gideon are strating to show through from beneath the false thin facade that Ashcroft purchased for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 To do that you have to make a statement that is deliberately false The deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony the prosecution rests as the defence have done it for him ..... remind me not to hire you as my defence lawyer Eh? What a pile of rubbish Tony - ahhh I see everything Brown says is a lie according to you so he must have gone into the enquiry deliberately going to make a false statement - sometimes your clutching of straws makes your arguments look a bit silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 since we are going OT and Unemployment ... A total of 10.6 million people either did not have a job, or have stopped looking for one, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics, which indicated that more people than ever before had abandoned the workplace – choosing instead to study, go on sick leave or just give up searching for a job Well considering the darling of many a elderly and I suspect some of the Young Belizers fantasies Theresa said the results were Obviously it's very... it's welcome news that unemployment figures are going down, it would seem that the view of the Tory party and the Lib Dems somewhat differ from yours. Also great spin again on your use of figures there 10.6 million do not have a job - have the people who ever satisfied the criteria you talk about been included in jobless figures? Or is this another desperate spin? There are too many people out of work - and that is the ones who want to work. The fact is that will always be the case even if just 1 person is like that. In world recessions (note: loved the comment today about a Labour recession - what a pile of crap - but a perfect marketing tactic) the numbers of people out of work go up. When you see large companies pandering to the shareholders and getting rid of people becomes a fashion it only adds to the problem. Today in parliament Dave tried to say that Brown should be condemning the unions at BA for calling a strike. Typical Tory coming out and now its good to see that a vote for them would be a return to the Thatcher days of "crush the workers". No mention of condemnation for Walsh and his continued destruction of LondonAirways and the numbers of people he has put out of work. As this election game continues the true colours of Cameron and Gideon are strating to show through from beneath the false thin facade that Ashcroft purchased for them yes but Gordon isn't actually helping Unite at all is he? but he is taking their money quite happily. If Unite were hoping for an ROI for their investment into Labour campaigns, they haven't got it and never will. They'd be better off funding the Socialist Labour Party. EDIT: yes you are right on the Walsh Factor. He really needs to be gotten rid of and fast. BA almost need to split into two companies, a long haul extremely up market airline and a short haul/domestic airline which is a more low cost model. I'd be tempted for BA to give some more of their routes to Flybe (and a few slots from LHR) and let them manage the whole thing and take a cut. They can't keep up on all these routes some of which are losing big sums of cash. Virgin are absolutely bumming BA on their competing routes. But I love beardy anyway. He is PR guru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 17, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2010 Good grief I hate this party political bollocks. Give it over, please. There's more at stake in the Inquiry than cheap points for your respective parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 yes but Gordon isn't actually helping Unite at all is he? but he is taking their money quite happily. If Unite were hoping for an ROI for their investment into Labour campaigns, they haven't got it and never will. They'd be better off funding the Socialist Labour Party. Brown is not there to "help" unite - I wonder if Ashcroft's billions are there to get a kick back from the Tory party? A typical Tory response KL - and I can see with a philosophy like that why you support them so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Oh I see Brown didn't deliberatly lie he just accidently didn't tell the truth well that's me convinced then carry on ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Good grief I hate this party political bollocks. Give it over, please. There's more at stake in the Inquiry than cheap points for your respective parties. Correct sir the "discussions" that are for another thread are not for this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 yes but Gordon isn't actually helping Unite at all is he? but he is taking their money quite happily. If Unite were hoping for an ROI for their investment into Labour campaigns, they haven't got it and never will. They'd be better off funding the Socialist Labour Party. Brown is not there to "help" unite - I wonder if Ashcroft's billions are there to get a kick back from the Tory party? A typical Tory response KL - and I can see with a philosophy like that why you support them so much typical maybe, but Unite should invest their funds in a party that represents what they stand for. And NuLab certainly aren't the party to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Good grief I hate this party political bollocks. Give it over, please. There's more at stake in the Inquiry than cheap points for your respective parties. I think the Inquiry is a watered down version of what it needs to be. It's like throwing a bucket of ice water on a burning house, the right idea, but not effective enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Oh I see Brown didn't deliberatly lie he just accidently didn't tell the truth well that's me convinced then carry on ... Tony you are not that thick - the premise of the statement is valid about continued increase in spending over the period. If the spending over that time had remained static or decreased then you would have had more of a reason to question the statement and the subsequent follow up comments, As it is it's just political mileage being made by people who crave power at any cost and are willing to twist and spin any comment to try and make a point that is just not valid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 Apologies for joining in the off topicness but: Today in parliament Dave tried to say that Brown should be condemning the unions at BA for calling a strike. Typical Tory coming out... From all the reports that I read (including in the Grauniad), Brown said the following about it on Woman's hour (sorry, I wasn't listening!): Brown says he agrees with Lord Adonis. He says the strike is "deplorable". Right on, comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 17, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2010 "Lord Adonis". Snigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Snowy great selective quoting and why the comrade comment ? Yes the strike is deplorable and he has said (rightly!) that BOTH sides need to resolve it - see blinkered views and you will get your answer - bigger picture is not always the same EDIT Snowy's selective quoting missed out "Typical Tory coming out and now its good to see that a vote for them would be a return to the Thatcher days of "crush the workers" which has a totally different context. Hmm maybe using Tony's rule I can now say that Snowy did that on purpose? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 As it is it's just political mileage being made by people who crave power at any cost no it isn't and you are missing the point (and Chindie at this present time it seems) Browns WHOLE evidence at Chilcott was based around him saying that military funding had increased in every year since 1997 so his entire evidence was based on a lie .. have a watch of PMQT today notice how Browns usual smug grin has gone ..notice the humiliation in his face , notice his voice wobble ..he got caught lying and he knows it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Snowy great selective quoting and why the comrade comment ? Yes the strike is deplorable and he has said (rightly!) that BOTH sides need to resolve it - see blinkered views and you will get your answer - bigger picture is not always the same EDIT Snowy's selective quoting missed out "Typical Tory coming out and now its good to see that a vote for them would be a return to the Thatcher days of "crush the workers" which has a totally different context. Hmm maybe using Tony's rule I can now say that Snowy did that on purpose? :-) As someone who works in the travel industry and who deals with BA the Unions don't really have a leg to stand on. In a recession they aren't willing to tighten their belts and it doesn't help when the person in charge of cutting costs etc is an idiot, because it gives Unite a bit more weight. If they keep striking BA will go bust then they will be all out of a job. considering BA advertised a position for 1 cabin crew place and got 900 applicants, I think the workforce need to be very careful what action they take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 maybe using Tony's rule says the man who only quoted one line of May's statement and left out "“What the headline figures don’t show is that many people have simply given up looking for work. One in five people of working age you meet won’t have a job. “Britain needs a credible plan on jobs and growth so that the 2.3 million people looking for jobs who don’t appear in the official unemployment figures can get back into the workplace.” I'm sure it was a genuine accident and you can of course write to one of the mods and correct your mistake at a later date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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