snowychap Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Megrahi's release is part of a bigger commercial picture and quid pro quo for 'improving relations' with Libya. ..... Justice (imo) has nothing to do with his release. In fact he was convicted as part of a political battle, he was only given up by Ghadaffi because he wanted to have a better relationship with the west So this bloke was only convicted to improve western-libya relations and now he's being freed to help improve western-libya relations . What a crazeeee world we live in. Yep, yep and yep (all in my opinion, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 the voting options should be more neutral, because as they stand i don't agree with any of them. You might think they should be allowed to be free, but you don't knit yoghurt. you might think they should stay in jail, but don't believe in 'an eye for an eye' "Depends what they did" means the question needs to be better phrased to eliminate this option. sorry! :shock: if there is a prize for pedant of the year then I'll see that you get it :-) if you want him freed then you are a liberal , ergo under VT rules you must knit yogurt and so on You haven't seen the Grammar Nazi on patrol but my point was i want to vote for "staying in jail", but i don't believe in "an eye for an eye". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 If they are really about to die, let them go. We will have nothing to fear from them and further punishment is pretty much pointless. If they are not really that ill then round em up and stick em back in jail until they are. The idea of campassion is more for the family of the convicted than it is for the convicted person themselves anyway. I don't have a problem with any loved ones wanting to be there to say goodbye and showing compassion to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSufferingVilla Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Depends on the crime not the sentence since Judges seem happy to lock rapists up for 2 years and throw the key away for people caught with drugs. A public pardon system is the only way to go have a jury decide whether a convict should be freed on compassionate grounds or not. On that matter why can't juries hand out sentences as opposed to the Judges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 It depends. For fear of coping out, "This" too. i think there is always room for compassion and understanding, even in thr criminal justice system. Depends on the case and the circs, but i was totally in favour of letting Ronaldo Biggs out. Not really due to his health, but on the grounds that his sentence was ridiculous in the first place .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 13, 2009 Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2009 Definitely release them. I strongly believe that as your time comes to an end, you're going to reflect on your life (if you're "still all there") and that this act will matter not whether you're in Jail, or just let out of jail and are in hospital or with the ones you love. You have to live with, and die with, the sum of your life. Most people I'm sure can be rightly proud of themselves, and should be able to sleep easily for that last time. A few may die wracked with a sense of terrible guilt, or anger that they let themselves be used, or did terrible things. But at that point it's betwen them and whatever happens next. That's the real punishment or peace in many senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Announcement at 1pm today and looks like he'll be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomb2233 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 read a book called Trial of the octopus a few years back .. claims that PAN AM flights were being used as controlled drug flights by the CIA (In return for the Syrian using their influence to free the remaining American hostages, the CIA helped them to safely transport their heroin on transatlantic flights) The CIA involved in drug running - ridiculous idea (afghan production up 400% since us takeover, cia backing the mexican govt to wipe out their rivals there, 7 new us military sites going into columbia). If it aint' one thing (oil) then it's the other (drugs). Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Blimey oath, this bloke's making the most of his few minutes of fame, isn't he? It's like bloody jackanory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomb2233 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 He's handling it well I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 20, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2009 Blimey oath, this bloke's making the most of his few minutes of fame, isn't he? It's like bloody jackanory. Was thinking that myself. BBC cut him off! You can tell he's trying to sugar coat a decision that ain't going to be popular, he spent about 5 mins saying absolutely nothing effectively. 'I spoke to every Tom Dick and Harry under the sun, and THE UK GOVERNMENT'. EDIT - He's still bloody going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomb2233 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Ok, hes taking the mick now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 And he's free. Outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 What a self important, pompous cloud of wankmist that MSP is. The yanks are gonna go nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomb2233 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Who cares what the yanks think. The bloke is more than likely innocent anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 What a self important, pompous cloud of wankmist that MSP is. The yanks are gonna go nuts. Good going Scotland. The sooner England goes it alone the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Who cares what the yanks think. The bloke is more than likely innocent anyway. I didn't say I cared abut them per se, however you have to wonder if at least part of the decision to release him actually rested on stopping his appeals, which allegedly, were going to reveal evidence leading back to rhe real culprits - Iran. Justice has been fudged for $ and political expediency yet it's being dressed up as the height of humanitarianism by Rob Roy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomb2233 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Who cares what the yanks think. The bloke is more than likely innocent anyway. I didn't say I cared abut them per se, however you have to wonder if at least part of the decision to release him actually rested on stopping his appeals, which allegedly, were going to reveal evidence leading back to rhe real culprits - Iran. Justice has been fudged for $ and political expediency yet it's being dressed up as the height of humanitarianism by Rob Roy. Agree with what you say there. Hopefully, this won't be the end of it in terms of finding out the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hopefully, this won't be the end of it in terms of finding out the truth. Afraid not, the appeals had to be dropped to enable compassionate release. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomb2233 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hopefully, this won't be the end of it in terms of finding out the truth. Afraid not, the appeals had to be dropped to enable compassionate release. Case closed. He would never have lived to see an appeal through anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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