drat01 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 UKIP and BNP have the same ideals - a vote for either is a vote for the far right racist idealogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdabush Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Sorry, slightly OT but what the hell is Fiona Phillips doing on Question Time?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted June 4, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2009 Lib Dem or UKIP for me I think. Not that it will matter there. They're exact oppposites. Surely that's like saying, either BNP or Green. IMO, UKIP and the Lib Dems each have a European policy that's infinitely better than the current situation. (and as for the rest of their policies, to the extent that UKIP has substantive policies outside of Euroskepticism, I find that I'm about as likely to agree with them as I am with the Lib Dems) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelc Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 UKIP and BNP have the same ideals - a vote for either is a vote for the far right racist idealogy Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leviramsey Posted June 4, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2009 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted June 4, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2009 ‽‽ Having got to the end of last weeks QT now, my hate for Farage is cemented in place. He's a knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 UKIP and BNP have the same ideals - a vote for either is a vote for the far right racist idealogy unfortunately for us all they also have some ideals that in the right hands would actually work and make this country better but the pc brigade also too happily tarnish anyone who thinks it with the same racist brush, meaning that our frankly ridiculous immigration policy will never be ammended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 4, 2009 Moderator Share Posted June 4, 2009 UKIP and BNP have the same ideals - a vote for either is a vote for the far right racist idealogy No really as much as I hate one and greatly dislike the other they are not one and the same ideology One is a bunch of national socialist scumbags, the other are right wing conservatives probably closer to the Labour Party apart from wanting to opt out of Europe than most of the other parties, now that the Tories have moved to the left slightly and started hugging trees at the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I also disagree that ALL members of the BNP are racist. I know 3 members and I can assure you none are racist, 2 of them were former big Labour men and trade union members. Racism is the defining characteristic of the BNP. If you're not a racist, they won't let you in. And if you're not a racist, you have no business voting for them. Being former Labour and TU people doesn't mean you're not racist. Here's just one example of a racist scumbag who freeloaded on the Labour Party while it was convenient to do so, without ever living up to or owning the values of that party. Equally, there have been TU figures who have been vicious racists. Are you aware that it's a tactic of the BNP to conceal the racist element, until people have been drawn in to the cosy circle? A standard revolutionary group tactic, true, and one which perhaps fools the uninititiated - but lies and deceit, all the same. (Similar to the recruiting tactics of Moonies and some churches, actually. It works with suggestible people who welcome new social contacts, so they do it with university students in their first term, away from home and feeling lonely). Shane Meadows made a film about the way the fascists recruit people into their sordid little gangs. What is really shocking is that 9 people on this forum admit to having voted for them. Has the level of political education in this country sunk so low that people can really kid themselves that a vicious, thuggish, racist party is really about helping pensioners across the street and fighting to save British industry? Sick, sick, sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 4, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2009 UKIP and BNP have the same ideals - a vote for either is a vote for the far right racist idealogy unfortunately for us all they also have some ideals that in the right hands would actually work and make this country better but the pc brigade also too happily tarnish anyone who thinks it with the same racist brush, meaning that our frankly ridiculous immigration policy will never be ammended It's because they are bloody racist! The guy that runs the bloody thing is a Holocaust denier! They want rid of all foreigners, the NHS would die on it's arse instantly! And thats just the start. How any right minded person can vote for them is beyond me, unless they are exceptionally naive or, more likely, racist themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I also disagree that ALL members of the BNP are racist. I know 3 members and I can assure you none are racist, 2 of them were former big Labour men and trade union members. Racism is the defining characteristic of the BNP. If you're not a racist, they won't let you in. And if you're not a racist, you have no business voting for them. It's all worth pointing out that the BNP rules forbid black or Asian people from being a candidate for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 i dont see how anyone could vote for labour after the mess they've made but they do, or the lib dems which IMO has little impact, or green party which has no intrest to me at all the BNP is ran by idiots and have alot of mindless policies that will ruin our country, but IMO the tip of that iceberg which is immigration needs to be addressed properly, and hopefully the BNP doing surprisingly well will at least cause labour a reason to consider it its too easy to label anyone who suggests changes to immigration policies as a racist and go on pretending that everything is right when its not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 UKIP and BNP have the same ideals - a vote for either is a vote for the far right racist idealogy Stop pulling my leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I also disagree that ALL members of the BNP are racist. I know 3 members and I can assure you none are racist, 2 of them were former big Labour men and trade union members. Racism is the defining characteristic of the BNP. If you're not a racist, they won't let you in. And if you're not a racist, you have no business voting for them. It's all worth pointing out that the BNP rules forbid black or Asian people from being a candidate for them. that was what i was thinking at the poll, they have the best slogan "british jobs for british people" but then sadly have a very wrong idea about what constitutes being british Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 That's because they're racist scum. And you voted for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I just think Labour are a shambles as most around me do right now. I lived with a conservative in my first year at Uni and it's completely put me off them (apart from the negative feelings I had toward them before) so to me it was almost voting for anyone apart from them today (and the BNP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 yeah i did, out of the idea that if they did well gordon brown might not look upon "british jobs for british people" as an empty promise anymore as far as im concerned the end justifies the means, i voted BNP which may bring a smile to a few knuckledraggers faces but inevitably gives them the keys to nothing, whilst the people with the power will hopefully question their own policies which for years havent worked that IMHO makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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