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bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause.

NOT this. :shock:

who were the bullies

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number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0

police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k

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bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause.

NOT this. :shock:

who were the bullies

orgreave.jpg

number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0

police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k

what about the miners that killed that taxi driver?

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bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause.

NOT this. :shock:

who were the bullies

orgreave.jpg

number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0

police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k

what about the miners that killed that taxi driver?

I don't believe anyone said the miners were all innocents in this

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bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause.

NOT this. :shock:

who were the bullies

orgreave.jpg

number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0

police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k

what about the miners that killed that taxi driver?

I don't believe anyone said the miners were all innocents in this

no but I doubt the NUM compensated the taxi drivers family, or did they?

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bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause.

NOT this. :shock:

who were the bullies

orgreave.jpg

number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0

police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k

What came first?

Policing or flying pickets?

You play with fire, you get burned.

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bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause.

NOT this. :shock:

who were the bullies

orgreave.jpg

number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0

police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k

What came first?

Policing or flying pickets?

You play with fire, you get burned.

so you are all for the repression fo the public then ?

don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley

guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types

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so you are all for the repression fo the public then ?

don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley

guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types

'free assembly'?

So large numbers of people assembling to intimidate people who are trying to go to work to feed and clothe their families is okay?

I'll see you on the plane to China. We'll drop you off in North Korea on the way :winkold:

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so you are all for the repression fo the public then ?

don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley

guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types

So large numbers of people assembling to intimidate people who are trying to go to work to feed and clothe their families is okay?

I think it still would have been best to leave the police out of it until something went terribly wrong at one of those flying pickets.

Which would have happened,

Then you move in heavy with full backing.

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don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley

guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types

Bloody hell, way to invoke memories of the eighties, Ian.

It sounds like every anti-Scargill comment of the period (save exchanging Russia for China).

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So , why was Thatcher the destroyer of communities ??

I hereby extend a friendly invite to come and see the old pit villages in the north east

OK , maybe I should have phrased the question better .. why is it ONLY Thatcher appears to be seen as the destroyer of communities when the pit closures in Wales which also decimated communities , happened long before she came to power

That isn't true

There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys.

Ironically Hirwaun Mountain also has another place in political history, it was the first place a red flag was raised as a symbol of socialist revolt (it was in fact a bedsheet dipped in sheeps blood) and it is that socialist revolt that Thatcher was so scared about, the Miner's Strike wasn't really about job cuts and all that guff for Thatcher, it was about an end to the Unions, it was all part of Thatch's plan to remove the Unions of any power. It was a great left vs right battle of ideologies fought out between the forces of the State (that'll be the police used some would say illegally as well as the army dressed up as policemen) and the forces of the left (that'll be Scargills poor miners used as pawns in a game the idiot was never going to win).

What Thatcher did was inexcuseable

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so you are all for the repression fo the public then ?

don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley

guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types

Barring you picking that Ivan up for his spelling the other day that may be the most ironic comment I have ever read on VT.

Labour's supression of free speech , right to free assembly and protest is good but when the Tories do it it's bad? I agree with what you have written but for Jesus Christ's F'ing sake why have you never pulled up Labour for doing the same and worse recently?

Read it, and weep for our stolen rights

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so you are all for the repression fo the public then ?

don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley

guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types

Barring you picking that Ivan up for his spelling the other day that may be the most ironic comment I have ever read on VT.

Labour's supression of free speech , right to free assembly and protest is good but when the Tories do it it's bad? I agree with what you have written but for Jesus Christ's F'ing sake why have you never pulled up Labour for doing the same and worse recently?

Read it, and weep for our stolen rights

I think now you have to organise and basically BOOK your protest in London nowadays. You won't find any protests going on anymore around the HP.

There have also been cases of people being arrested under the terrorism act for taking photos of public places like train stations.

This government is like that nobbish dad off the fast show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkhpnrGBTRc

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There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys.

A slight aside, and I'm sure you know already Bicks, but former Wales wing forward Dai Morris used to work there. Max Boyce put it more elequently:

"Now Dai works down at Tower, in a pit called number four.

Some say that he was quarried from rock a mile below.

He goes to work each morning just the same as you or I

The foreman calls him Mister but the children call him Dai"

Makes me proud every time I drive past it on my way to the Rhondda to see my Nan.

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That isn't true

There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys.

well try these for size , happy counting and not one of them closed by Thatcher ..

so again I have to ask , how come Thatcher decimated communities and no-one else ?

North Rhondda No 2 1947

Blaenclydach 1947

Erskine 1947

Llanmarch 1947

Penrhys 1947

Charmborough 1947

Cynon 1947

Llanerch 1947

Rhiw Colbren No 5 1947

Cwmneol 1948

Glanaman 1948

Broadoak 1948

Hook 1948

West Blaina 1948

New Gellihir 1948

Pwllgwaun 1948

Nantewlaeth 1948

Islwyn 1948

Blaendare 1949

Cwm Cynon 1949

Tareni 1949

Eryl Bryn 1949

Wern Fawr 1949

Werfa Dare 1949

Glynogwr 1949

Coalpit Heath 1949

Pontyberem 1949

Brithdir 1949

Camerton 1950

Rhiw Colbren No 2 1950

Cilely 1950

Talclyn 1952

Anthony (merged with Naval) 1952

Bertie (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952

Nebe (merged with Gelli) 1952

Pandy (merged with Naval) 1952

Trane (merged with Britannic) 1952

Trefor (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952

Garngoch No 1 1952

Pwll 1953

Kay?s Slope (see Garn and Kay?s Slope) 1953

Oaklands 1953

Rhas 1953

Pidwellt 1953

Bromley (see Pensford & Bromley) 1954

Radstock 1954

Rock Vein (merged with Nine Mile Point) 1954

Trimsaran 1954

Brynteg 1954

Dare (merged with Park) 1955

Lucy Thomas 1955

Mynydd Newydd 1955

Brynhenllys 1955

Mynydd Maen 1955

Ynisarwed 1955

Bedlinog 1956

Braysdown (merged with Writhlington) 1956

Crynant 1956

Pengam 1956

Deakin's Red Ash Level 1956

Saron 1956

Deakin's Slope 1957

Bwllfa (merged with Mardy) 1957

Rock (Mon) 1957

Ystalyfera 1957

Gellyceidrim 1957

Vivian (merged with Six Bells) 1958

Naval 1958

Glenhafod 1958

Liandebie 1958

Pensford & Bromley 1958

Tirherbert 1958

Aberbaiden 1959

Cwmllynfell 1959

Eastern United 1959

Mount 1959

Pentre 1959

Steer 1959

Ty Trist 1959

Tydraw 1959

Ferndale No 5 1959

Glyntillery (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959

Tirpentwys (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959

Garth Merthyr 1959

Glengarw 1959

Arthur & Edward 1959

Britannic 1960

Carway 1960

North Rhondda 1960

Cannop 1960

Tylerstown No 9 1960

Hendy Merthyr 1960

Big Pit (merged with Blaenavon) 1960

Cwmtillery (merged with Abertillery) 1960

Garn & Kays Slope (merged with Blaenavon) 1960

Lewis Merthyr(merged with Tymawr) 1960

Rose Heyworth (merged with Abertillery) 1960

Clydach Merthyr 1961

Graig Fawr 1961

Rock (Glam) 1961

Llanbradach 1961

Gelli 1962

Onllwyn No 3 1962

Princess Royal 1962

Great Mountain Nos 1 & 2 1962

New Cross Hands 1962

Blaenhirwaun 1962

Lianharan 1962

East 1962

Aberaman 1962

New Rockwood. 1963

Seven Sisters 1963

Bryn 1963

Harry Stoke 1963

Cwmgrach 1963

Ffaldydre 1963

Waunllwyd (merged with Marine) 1963

Onllwyn No 1 1964

Western (see Wyndham/Western) 1964

Cwmgorse 1964

Garth Tonmawr 1964

Nine Mile Point 1964

Pochin 1964

Wern Tarw 1964

Daren 1964

Varteg 1964

Norchard Drift 1965

Rhigos 1965

Glyncastle 1965

Fforchaman 1965

Wernos 1965

Aberbeeg South 1965

Felinfran 1965

Northern United 1965

Pwllbach 1966

Garngoch No 3 1966

Norton Hill 1966

Park (Glam) 1966

Fernhill (see Tower/Fernhill) 1966

Dillwyn 1966

Old Mills 1966

Risca 1966

Albion 1966

Cambrian 1966

Glenrhondda 1966

Duffryn Rhondda 1966

Abercrave 1967

Elliot 1967

Pentreclwydau 1967

Abergorki 1967

Crumlin 1967

International (Maesteg) 1967

Newlands 1968

Wyllie 1968

Yniscedwyn 1968

Cefn Coed 1968

Lindsay (Carmarthen) (merged with Cwmgwili) 1968

New Rock 1968

Cwmcarn 1968

Groesfaen 1968

National 1968

Writhlington (merged with Kilmersdon) 1968

Pantyffynnon 1969

Penllwyngwent 1969

Llanhilleth 1969

Avon 1969

Mountain 1969

Tirpentwys 1969

Waterloo (Mon) 1970

Glyncorrwg 1970

Coed Cae 1973

Kilmersdon 1973

Pentremawr (merged with Cynheidre) 1974

Abercynon (merged with Lady Windsor) 1975

Ffaldau (merged with Garw) 1975

Ogilvie 1975

Windsor (merged with Nantgarw) 1975

Bey 1975

Glyntillery 1975

Hafodyrynys (inc Glyntillery) 1975

Ammanford 1976

Bargoed 1977

Coedely (merged with Cwm) 1977

Morlais (merged with Brynlliw) 1977

Caerau 1977

Graig Merthyr 1978

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well try these for size , happy counting and not one of them closed by Thatcher ..

so again I have to ask , how come Thatcher decimated communities and no-one else ?

because she was Conservative?

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That isn't true

There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys.

well try these for size , happy counting and not one of them closed by Thatcher ..

so again I have to ask , how come Thatcher decimated communities and no-one else ?

North Rhondda No 2 1947

Blaenclydach 1947

Erskine 1947

Llanmarch 1947

Penrhys 1947

Charmborough 1947

Cynon 1947

Llanerch 1947

Rhiw Colbren No 5 1947

Cwmneol 1948

Glanaman 1948

Broadoak 1948

Hook 1948

West Blaina 1948

New Gellihir 1948

Pwllgwaun 1948

Nantewlaeth 1948

Islwyn 1948

Blaendare 1949

Cwm Cynon 1949

Tareni 1949

Eryl Bryn 1949

Wern Fawr 1949

Werfa Dare 1949

Glynogwr 1949

Coalpit Heath 1949

Pontyberem 1949

Brithdir 1949

Camerton 1950

Rhiw Colbren No 2 1950

Cilely 1950

Talclyn 1952

Anthony (merged with Naval) 1952

Bertie (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952

Nebe (merged with Gelli) 1952

Pandy (merged with Naval) 1952

Trane (merged with Britannic) 1952

Trefor (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952

Garngoch No 1 1952

Pwll 1953

Kay?s Slope (see Garn and Kay?s Slope) 1953

Oaklands 1953

Rhas 1953

Pidwellt 1953

Bromley (see Pensford & Bromley) 1954

Radstock 1954

Rock Vein (merged with Nine Mile Point) 1954

Trimsaran 1954

Brynteg 1954

Dare (merged with Park) 1955

Lucy Thomas 1955

Mynydd Newydd 1955

Brynhenllys 1955

Mynydd Maen 1955

Ynisarwed 1955

Bedlinog 1956

Braysdown (merged with Writhlington) 1956

Crynant 1956

Pengam 1956

Deakin's Red Ash Level 1956

Saron 1956

Deakin's Slope 1957

Bwllfa (merged with Mardy) 1957

Rock (Mon) 1957

Ystalyfera 1957

Gellyceidrim 1957

Vivian (merged with Six Bells) 1958

Naval 1958

Glenhafod 1958

Liandebie 1958

Pensford & Bromley 1958

Tirherbert 1958

Aberbaiden 1959

Cwmllynfell 1959

Eastern United 1959

Mount 1959

Pentre 1959

Steer 1959

Ty Trist 1959

Tydraw 1959

Ferndale No 5 1959

Glyntillery (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959

Tirpentwys (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959

Garth Merthyr 1959

Glengarw 1959

Arthur & Edward 1959

Britannic 1960

Carway 1960

North Rhondda 1960

Cannop 1960

Tylerstown No 9 1960

Hendy Merthyr 1960

Big Pit (merged with Blaenavon) 1960

Cwmtillery (merged with Abertillery) 1960

Garn & Kays Slope (merged with Blaenavon) 1960

Lewis Merthyr(merged with Tymawr) 1960

Rose Heyworth (merged with Abertillery) 1960

Clydach Merthyr 1961

Graig Fawr 1961

Rock (Glam) 1961

Llanbradach 1961

Gelli 1962

Onllwyn No 3 1962

Princess Royal 1962

Great Mountain Nos 1 & 2 1962

New Cross Hands 1962

Blaenhirwaun 1962

Lianharan 1962

East 1962

Aberaman 1962

New Rockwood. 1963

Seven Sisters 1963

Bryn 1963

Harry Stoke 1963

Cwmgrach 1963

Ffaldydre 1963

Waunllwyd (merged with Marine) 1963

Onllwyn No 1 1964

Western (see Wyndham/Western) 1964

Cwmgorse 1964

Garth Tonmawr 1964

Nine Mile Point 1964

Pochin 1964

Wern Tarw 1964

Daren 1964

Varteg 1964

Norchard Drift 1965

Rhigos 1965

Glyncastle 1965

Fforchaman 1965

Wernos 1965

Aberbeeg South 1965

Felinfran 1965

Northern United 1965

Pwllbach 1966

Garngoch No 3 1966

Norton Hill 1966

Park (Glam) 1966

Fernhill (see Tower/Fernhill) 1966

Dillwyn 1966

Old Mills 1966

Risca 1966

Albion 1966

Cambrian 1966

Glenrhondda 1966

Duffryn Rhondda 1966

Abercrave 1967

Elliot 1967

Pentreclwydau 1967

Abergorki 1967

Crumlin 1967

International (Maesteg) 1967

Newlands 1968

Wyllie 1968

Yniscedwyn 1968

Cefn Coed 1968

Lindsay (Carmarthen) (merged with Cwmgwili) 1968

New Rock 1968

Cwmcarn 1968

Groesfaen 1968

National 1968

Writhlington (merged with Kilmersdon) 1968

Pantyffynnon 1969

Penllwyngwent 1969

Llanhilleth 1969

Avon 1969

Mountain 1969

Tirpentwys 1969

Waterloo (Mon) 1970

Glyncorrwg 1970

Coed Cae 1973

Kilmersdon 1973

Pentremawr (merged with Cynheidre) 1974

Abercynon (merged with Lady Windsor) 1975

Ffaldau (merged with Garw) 1975

Ogilvie 1975

Windsor (merged with Nantgarw) 1975

Bey 1975

Glyntillery 1975

Hafodyrynys (inc Glyntillery) 1975

Ammanford 1976

Bargoed 1977

Coedely (merged with Cwm) 1977

Morlais (merged with Brynlliw) 1977

Caerau 1977

Graig Merthyr 1978

Blimey, I didn't know that. A lot of mergers though. Any info for the reasons on these closures? Pits do run out of coal (like Tower did recently).

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It was decided to slim down the industry to a level that the investment would make the most difference ...

It's hard to say today whether such mergers would have created units which would still be viable or open today - lots of other factors have contributed to the decline of the coal industry since then, both economic and political

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A lot of those aren't closures, they are mergers. The Tower / Fernhill one in 1966 being the obvious one to me (Tower also later merged with Maerdy further down the seem in 1985 iirc signalling the end of coal mining in the Rhondda - well on the surface anyway, it was still going on below ground)

A lot of those also just simply ran out of coal

Bargoed in 1977 and rhigos in 1n 1965 in 1977 aren't technically closure's as such either, they decided to rip the top off the mountain's and turn into open cast, seem to remember a bit of a fuss back in the day about that (well the Bargoed one anyway)

I note there's no mention of Hirwaun Tower No3 in 1958? yes thats because it was a mine opening. So they were still opening new mines in this period of non Thatcherte closures.

And thats just from my limited knowledge of the mines at our end of the Cynon Valley

I'll also bet they didn't pour concrete down those mines either did they? Thatcher poured concrete down perfectly good mines so they could never be used again. That is the act of a mad woman hell bent on revenge

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