sheepyvillian Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 24/10/2020 at 19:55, Rds1983 said: Watched practically everything he's done and loved the first one so had high hopes but this just felt forced, staged and that he was trying too hard. Tbh, you have a point. Money for old rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Also, this character is just humungously racist, and it's kind of incredible that in a year when we're talking a lot about racism and racial justice that he's getting a free pass somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 24/10/2020 at 19:55, Rds1983 said: Watched practically everything he's done and loved the first one so had high hopes but this just felt forced, staged and that he was trying too hard. Same here, it was terrible. I turned it off after 30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Also, this character is just humungously racist, and it's kind of incredible that in a year when we're talking a lot about racism and racial justice that he's getting a free pass somehow. But that’s the point of his character. To lower the guards of the real racists and have them expose their prejudices. These are the people he is mocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: But that’s the point of his character. To lower the guards of the real racists and have them expose their prejudices. These are the people he is mocking. Absolutely none of that requires the creation of a racist caricature. I haven't watched the movie, but I did see something amusing earlier, which was someone saying 'well, he gets in a great line about Trudeau in blackface' - yeah, sure, while pretending to be a Kazakh in a highly offensive manner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: But that’s the point of his character. To lower the guards of the real racists and have them expose their prejudices. These are the people he is mocking. On 24/10/2020 at 19:55, Rds1983 said: I've just watched the Chicago 7 film and though I quire enjoyed it, I was constantly cringing at Cohen's terrible impersonation of an American accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Watched The Dirt last night, based on The Motley Crue book of the same name, it was OK, as rock biopics tend to be. Nothing earth shattering, just OK. The Dirt is one of my favourite books, it probably should have remained just a book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted October 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Wainy316 said: But that’s the point of his character. To lower the guards of the real racists and have them expose their prejudices. These are the people he is mocking. The bits I saw in the first 15 mins he wasn't exposing racists, the people he was dealing with clearly knew what was going on as Borat/Sacha is too famous now and there was no pretense as to why a film crew was there. They didn't really react, they just stood there and sometimes looked shocked that he'd made a offensive joke. It was just him pretending to be a khazak not knowing about mobile phones, still needing fax machines and making jokes about porn/dick pics. Before this it was jokes about how backwards Kazakhstan is. Maybe he worked up to exposing people later on (with the Rudy Giuliani bit I guess). It felt like something Tom Green would have come out with. The first Borat was great as he did as you said, lowered people's guard and showed them up as racist or stupid. I didn't see any of this in the sequel but as I said I stopped watching early on. But different people have different tastes so it's great that some people enjoyed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 8 hours ago, Wainy316 said: But that’s the point of his character. To lower the guards of the real racists and have them expose their prejudices. These are the people he is mocking. In the first Film it appeared he was able to make the general American people look very silly and uncomfortable with his behaviour. In this film (for the 30 mins before I turned it off) it was obvious they were actors or in on the gag so it just didn’t work and it wasn’t funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Rds1983 said: The bits I saw in the first 15 mins he wasn't exposing racists, the people he was dealing with clearly knew what was going on as Borat/Sacha is too famous now and there was no pretense as to why a film crew was there. They didn't really react, they just stood there and sometimes looked shocked that he'd made a offensive joke. It was just him pretending to be a khazak not knowing about mobile phones, still needing fax machines and making jokes about porn/dick pics. Before this it was jokes about how backwards Kazakhstan is. Maybe he worked up to exposing people later on (with the Rudy Giuliani bit I guess). It felt like something Tom Green would have come out with. The first Borat was great as he did as you said, lowered people's guard and showed them up as racist or stupid. I didn't see any of this in the sequel but as I said I stopped watching early on. But different people have different tastes so it's great that some people enjoyed it. Pretty much my exact thoughts, I should have read this before I replied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzzle Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Watched Unhinged which was alright I suppose also watched Love & Monsters which I thought was pretty good but nothing special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 There’s definitely more honey trapping later in the film. The republican rally is pretty startling. Due to him being widely recognised the daughter character is used to keep the schtick effective and the Bulgarian that plays her is bloody brilliant. Aside from that the story itself all comes together pretty nicely at the end too. They definitely capitalised on the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Seat68 said: Watched The Dirt last night, based on The Motley Crue book of the same name, it was OK, as rock biopics tend to be. Nothing earth shattering, just OK. The Dirt is one of my favourite books, it probably should have remained just a book. Agreed. The book is amazing, the film is just above average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button. Watched it for the first time, it's pretty good. Can't think of anything I've seen Pitt in that I didn't like. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, rjw63 said: The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button. Watched it for the first time, it's pretty good. Can't think of anything I've seen Pitt in that I didn't like. Definitely not Jen and Angelina 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted October 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 26, 2020 actually quite enjoyed borat personally. i kept expectations low because it was never going to top the first. everyone involved obviously knew him, and even when he disguised himself it was obvious that it was a set up. so it was always going to be difficult and still had enough amusing moments for me echo the plaudits for Maria too...did a cracking number on Guiliani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, tomav84 said: actually quite enjoyed borat personally. i kept expectations low because it was never going to top the first. everyone involved obviously knew him, and even when he disguised himself it was obvious that it was a set up. so it was always going to be difficult and still had enough amusing moments for me echo the plaudits for Maria too...did a cracking number on Guiliani "The Fertility Dance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, rjw63 said: The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button. Watched it for the first time, it's pretty good. Can't think of anything I've seen Pitt in that I didn't like. Joe Black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 World War Z is an absolute steaming pile of a movie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Haven't seen Joe Black or World war Z. Maybe I should keep it that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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