General Election Pre-Thread (3 of 6)

[limpid]

A new one each week to keep the poll relevant.

The party specific stuff can go on the party specific threads (but there will be some overlap). This is more for general stuff about the election, like the horrifying backstories of candidates.

I've tweaked the number ranges based on last week's poll.

[bickster]

I see they still haven’t sacked the work experience kid. Excellent stuff

 

[bickster]

The taxing pensions thing is hilarious. If there’s one person the UK trusts on financial matters it’s that Martin Lewis bloke. I think he’s getting a bit bored of saying the the following today.

 

[bickster]

The chances of me voting LibDem have reduced.

Qu**n FFS! Not only that but that f***ing Qu**n song!

[Davkaus]

28 minutes ago, bickster said:

The taxing pensions thing is hilarious. If there’s one person the UK trusts on financial matters it’s that Martin Lewis bloke. I think he’s getting a bit bored of saying the the following today.

 

If nothing else, it's a disgraceful idea that if you take two people with 20k income, one a pensioner and one a worker, the pensioner should pay less tax.

 

[markavfc40]

23 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

If nothing else, it's a disgraceful idea that if you take two people with 20k income, one a pensioner and one a worker, the pensioner should pay less tax.

 

Yes it is abhorrent. The worker is 99.9% more likely to have dependent children, is likely to have travel costs associated with going to work, is far more likely to have a mortgage yet he should pay tax at a certain income but the pensioner shouldn't.

It is just a bribe on a dying breed of traditionally Tory voters.

[bickster]

It also seems rather like people have forgotten why the full state pension will have fallen into the tax bracket, that is, the triple lock has raised the pension and the Tories have only moved the lower limit of the income tax threshold by £70 once in the last four years.

So pensioners will be receiving more money and that will come from all the people working who are now paying more tax because even though wages have gone up the tax thresholds haven't (much)

[markavfc40]

29 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

 

I mean this is the first time ever i really am contemplating not voting as i dont like any party. I was going to go for lib dem but i don't even know what davey or his party stand for anymore.

Davey reminds me of the guy in the room that no one pays attention too or takes seriously.

 

Dem you said the above in the Reform thread. The below might help in regard Davey.

 

[Davkaus]

I honestly can't even imagine how he copes being party leader while caring for a disabled kid.

[Danwichmann]

I had a nightmare last night that the Tories actually won the election. I dreamt I'd fallen asleep in front of the TV on election night and woke up to see Tories with a huge lead as the counts were coming in, which led to much smashing things up in rage. 

There is absolutely no way the polls could be that far out, is there? I know the polls have sometimes got it wrong in the past, but surely never by that much?

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[ml1dch]

6 hours ago, Danwichmann said:

There is absolutely no way the polls could be that far out, is there? I know the polls have sometimes got it wrong in the past, but surely never by that much?

Absolutely none whatsoever.  That's not to say that what the polls say today will be the same as in four weeks time.

[Demitri_C]

8 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

Dem you said the above in the Reform thread. The below might help in regard Davey.

 

Thanks for sharing that as i didnt know this mark. Didnt Cameron lose a son as well? Like dav says i dont know how they do it as leaders

I still dont know though what lib dems stand for anymore tbh. They should bw a centralist party but i dont even know if they left or right or centre mid.  I think they have been very quiet while the tory parties been falling apart

[Rugeley Villa]

I think it will be a lot closer than people think which says a lot about Labour. Labour will probably win but I expect it to be a shit show under Starmer. The conservatives really need a big reset. 

[ml1dch]

13 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I think it will be a lot closer than people think which says a lot about Labour. Labour will probably win but I expect it to be a shit show under Starmer. 

Would be a shame to lose the sound, sensible governance we've had up to now.

[Rugeley Villa]

22 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Would be a shame to lose the sound, sensible governance we've had up to now.

The shit show will carry on then  

[cyrusr]

1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I think it will be a lot closer than people think which says a lot about Labour. Labour will probably win but I expect it to be a shit show under Starmer. The conservatives really need a big reset. 

Can I ask you why you think this? Do you mean policy wise or competency wise?

I mean, from my perspective, it is disappointing that I do not think the manifesto/plan from Labour will go far enough that the country needs, but I do think we will at least get some competency in charge instead of the last 5/9/14 years. 

[Stevo985]

1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I think it will be a lot closer than people think which says a lot about Labour. Labour will probably win but I expect it to be a shit show under Starmer. The conservatives really need a big reset. 

A shit show would be an enormous improvement over whatever you call the current government

[markavfc40]

4 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

I still dont know though what lib dems stand for anymore tbh. They should bw a centralist party but i dont even know if they left or right or centre mid.  I think they have been very quiet while the tory parties been falling apart

They could shout as loud as they like but with only 9 MP's they aren't going to get their voice heard in the media. The only way you do that, even with no MP's, is to be a racist/divisive party.

[markavfc40]

3 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Labour will probably win but I expect it to be a shit show under Starmer. 

It is a total myth, or a lie,  that Labour will be the same as the Tories and the shit show will continue. Has the last 14 years been the same as the 13 previous under Labour? and did nothing change when Labour replaced the Tories in 1997? 

In 2010 when Labour left office NHS waiting lists were at 2.3 million. They had doubled pre pandemic in 2019 to 4.6 million. They are now at over 7.5 million. You were guaranteed a GP appointment in 2010 within 48 hours. The Tories took power in May of that year and scrapped that guarantee in July of that year. Now 30% of people now wait over 8 days for a GP appointment. You had a heart attack in 2010 you would wait on average 18 minutes for an ambulance. It is now 45 minutes. The list of things that have got worse within the NHS since 2010 is endless. The Tories have decimated it.

There are 4.4 million children living in relative poverty in UK in 2024 an increase of almost a million since 2010. The number of people in working households who are living below the poverty line is 1.5 million higher than it was in 2010.There has been an 80% increase in homelessness since 2010. 

They have even failed on their big pledge to reduce net migration. In 2010 net migration was 252000. In 2022 764000, last year 685000.

I could go on all day about what has gotten worse since 2010. The Tories have broken pretty much everything, decimated public services, given those with the least a good kicking, overseen one of the biggest acts of self harm any nation has inflicted on itself, made the country as divided as it has ever been, all whilst increasing taxes to their highest levels since WWII, overseeing the first fall in living standards in UK in modern history, and increasing national debt from 1 trillion in 2010 to 2.5 trillion pound now.

Labour and Tories aren't the same and the shit show won't continue. Labour have and will again improve the NHS, will help ensure councils don't continue to go to the wall, will look to improve the lot of those with the least and will bring a semblance of respect and order back into politics. It will however take time given what they are inheriting. They are far from perfect and far from what I'd like to ideally see in government but they are a huge improvement on the Tories. 

[DCJonah]

The Tories would love nothing more than for people to think labour are just as bad.