ianrobo1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I think Pete you are wrong mate ... Trent talked about preconceptions well a lot abut Petrov and Barry I watched hi today off the ball and it seemed to me he was just standing around and yet Petrov as there for every loose ball interesting how different peopel see thngs eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Nicky Shorey would be a candidate for me. Who would you put at left-back mate? Unfortunatly, although I consider it to be far from his best position, Barry. Nah, he's shit there. Stick with Shorey I say mate. Shorey's big problem, lack of pace. And it will be a huge problem for Barry if he's put there. What works in Shorey's favour, is the fact it's his natural postion, so we're better off sticking with him until Bouma returns. Although Barry would be a better option attacking wise, he's a useless defender really. While I like Shorey's distribution, his defending is yet to convince me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 woah, 3 people voted for ash young. Anyone who did mind arguing your point? Yeah me, just to take the piss. hahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 31, 2008 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2008 the worse midfielder so far and the one that has to be dropped is Barry, no question of that I personally feel that you may be letting your anger at GB for the summer get to you and cloud your judgement. I cant see what GB has done on the pitch, apart from one poor performance at Stoke, to warrant the comments. Today he played well, against man city he was superb, against Odense he was superb. Without barry we arent anything like a top 4 team, with him,who knows? but we look better with him there than not, which was the whole point in fighting off liverpool all summer Agree completely PB The only thing the summer has done is in my head he's called Barry now, not Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastleBromVilla Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Nicky Shorey would be a candidate for me. Who would you put at left-back mate? Unfortunatly, although I consider it to be far from his best position, Barry. Nah, he's shit there. Stick with Shorey I say mate. Shorey's big problem, lack of pace. And it will be a huge problem for Barry if he's put there. What works in Shorey's favour, is the fact it's his natural postion, so we're better off sticking with him until Bouma returns. Although Barry would be a better option attacking wise, he's a useless defender really. While I like Shorey's distribution, his defending is yet to convince me. I'd agree with you, i've not been overly impressed with him so far, but i still think we're better sticking with him for the time being. Times like this make you realise how valuable Bouma really is to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocafella Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I seriously think people should lower their expectations on James Milner. At least right now, he is NOT that exceptional. He is young and hopefully will develop into something spectacular but right now he isn't guaranteed a starting place in the team. Stiliyan Petrov is the obvious pick though, he has never shown consistent form has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish_Villain Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I wish Barry had left for Liverpool,might have forced us to buy a decent attacking midfielder to play alongside the awesome NRC (i'm not being sarcastic, give him the captain's armband). I'm sick of "neither here or there" Gareth Barry, why do some people still rate him when supporters of other football teams and myself claim him to be average? If we had to get 18mil for him i'd still pissing myself laughing now. If you want a man to rise to the big occassion then Gareth Barry is certainly not your man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenjos Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 glad petrov is top. hes very poor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulanddonya Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I disagree entirely about this Pettrov is playing better so it hs to be Barry. I totally agree, Petrov is plaing well, but it is EXACTLY the same as England isn't it !! Lampard and Gerrard are better players than Barry - but what you have with NRC Barry is the exact you get with gerrard Barry - balance !, one compliments the other perfectly, the ball winning workhorse who will pass it simple to his mate who can then ping it left right and centre, Today, that was lacking - Petrov had a stormer, but the balance is totally wrong !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastleBromVilla Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I seriously think people should lower their expectations on James Milner. At least right now, he is NOT that exceptional. He is young and hopefully will develop into something spectacular but right now he isn't guaranteed a starting place in the team. Stiliyan Petrov is the obvious pick though, he has never shown consistent form has he? Well he should be, as he's the only natural wide man we've got for the right hand side (well, apart from Routledge, but he's not good enough). We want a balanced side, he needs to play. As we saw today, they marked Young out of the game, so everything ended up going through the middle, so things got very conjested as Liverpool play with no width really. We'd have been better starting Young on the left, and Milner wide right. Another avenue of attack, takes pressure off Young and gives the opposition something else to worry about. So for me, he's fit, he starts. The days of playing Coker or Petrov on the right should be long gone now, injury permitting of course. The kids quality, get him in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 31, 2008 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2008 I disagree entirely about this Pettrov is playing better so it hs to be Barry. I totally agree, Petrov is plaing well, but it is EXACTLY the same as England isn't it !! Lampard and Gerrard are better players than Barry - but what you have with NRC Barry is the exact you get with gerrard Barry - balance !, one compliments the other perfectly, the ball winning workhorse who will pass it simple to his mate who can then ping it left right and centre, Today, that was lacking - Petrov had a stormer, but the balance is totally wrong !! I'll tell you what is wrong, Barry's attitude, body language and work rate off the ball. All wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maradona10 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Bickster, this is what we all wanted, competition for places. I was thinking if we replaced Salifou for Sidwell and Cuellar for Knight, we do have a strong squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 31, 2008 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2008 NRC all day long... pointless breaking up play if you cant pass! I'm sure there are stats that show that NRC doesn't give the ball away as some like to make out. Yup, IIRC a better pass completed percentage than Barry last season, a guy who's in the england team because he passes well and doesn't give the ball away.yes but Barry may strive to do something creative with the ball and try and score a goal, going forwards. Not hit a 60 yard passes back to the keeper because he can't control the ball properly and panics when the ball comes to him and he's got a opposition player within 10 yards. NRC has to be dropped, then he can go and watch Barry Bannan and learn how to play football. Noted. But the point was giving the ball away, not being creative or anything else. But in response to your point, I don't think NRC is there to be creative. Whoever he is playing alongside can do that. he's there to win the ball from the opposition and break up there attacks which he does very very well, imo of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncy_chris Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Too many midfielders?! Who'd think we'd have that problem a year ago? To be honest it's probably Barry who SHOULD be dropped based on his performances in the last couple of games. But Barry won't be dropped because he's our Gerrard. If he's fit - he'll play. We can't afford to drop NRC because he's the only player who'll give us the grit and tackling ability in the centre of the park. And Ashley Young is still our most creative outlet. Milner HAS to come in to the team to give us some width and a different option in attack. So I've voted for Petrov, even though he's been doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish_Villain Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I disagree entirely about this Pettrov is playing better so it hs to be Barry. I totally agree, Petrov is plaing well, but it is EXACTLY the same as England isn't it !! Lampard and Gerrard are better players than Barry - but what you have with NRC Barry is the exact you get with gerrard Barry - balance !, one compliments the other perfectly, the ball winning workhorse who will pass it simple to his mate who can then ping it left right and centre, Today, that was lacking - Petrov had a stormer, but the balance is totally wrong !! I'm sorry but why would we compare anything to the English football team? They are a group of overated, work-shy, mercernaries that can boast the likes of Cashly Cole and john Terry in their squad (how quickly people forget) A team of underachievers and , quite frankly, getting away with prison spoilt brats should never be held up to a team like ours. You want balance? Drop Barry! Give NRC and Petrov the start they deserve. Barry IMO is worth 10million at most, we would have been lucky to get what Pool were offering. He disappears when we need him the most and he holds us back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maradona10 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Did Barry play badly today? I thought he did fine. The problem when playing Liverpool, they are a very compact unit, their play comes through the middle. Made it harder for us. That ball to Young, no other midfielder we have could have played that ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 31, 2008 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2008 Bickster, this is what we all wanted, competition for places. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 31, 2008 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2008 I thought Barry was good today, not brilliant, but good. And I thought he was excellent vs Man City. I didn't see the stoke game but assume he was poor as was the whole team. So imo in 2 out of 3 games he's been good at worst! Not bad if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Petrov has played far too well to be dropped it has to be NRC even though i love his energy and attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Times like this make you realise how valuable Bouma really is to us. Totally agree. Can't wait to see him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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