JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TRO said: I still think defensively and that includes in the air....Digne is the better. I also think being called up for a top International side, endorses his form too. Moreno does seem to be doing ok at Forest though. Maatsen jury still out for me. It depends if the debate is short, medium or long term. He's a quality player. My consistent critique at times is that if he had that extra yard of pace we get more chances, and he catches certain over the top balls on the wuick overlap. Just like with our CBs, the ideal players would have his, Moreno's and Maatsen qualities, but the probably cost 50 mill plus Again, I legit think some people also subconsciously just tie him to SG era so give him a harder time. Digne is just a calm, composed, classy type, not an explosive type. Sometimes we need that explosive FB though. Edited November 5 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN
TRO Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: He's a quality player. My consistent critique at times is that if he had that extra yard of pace we get more chances. Just like with our CBs, the ideal players would have his, Moreno's and Maatsen qualities, but the probably cost 50 mill plus Again, I legit think some people also subconsciously just tie him to SG era so give him a harder time. Digne is just a calm, composed, classy type, not an explosive type. Sometimes we need that explosive FB though. Moreno and Maatsen, leave me unconvinced. When they cut out crosses at will or drive wide players to the corner flag, I will start to be convinced. Shaun....my problem is, I am never going to be over excited about out and out attacking full backs.....at least not 2 in the same team. my type is a Josko Gvardiol or Nathan Ake, or a Luke Shaw....so I am more interested in what they do when they are defending, and then add a bit of offensive play, when they can....that way around. Maybe an asymmetrical style, But I think 2 attacking full backs leaves a team vulnerable. I think in the fullness of time, Kosta could be a quality full back, who knows. Edited November 5 by TRO 1
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, TRO said: Moreno and Maatsen, leave me unconvinced. When they cut out crosses at will or drive wide players to the corner flag, I will start to be convinced. Shaun....my problem is, I am never going to be over excited about out and out attacking full backs.....at least not 2 in the same team. my type is a Josko Gvardiol or Nathan Ake, or a Luke Shaw....so I am more interested in what they do when they are defending, and then add a bit of offensive play, when they can....that way around. Maybe an asymmetrical style, But I think 2 attacking full backs leaves a team vulnerable. I think in the fullness of time, Kosta could be a quality full back, who knows. Yes was going to say, I guess they refer to them as " modern " fullbacks. I'm still curious to see a 3 - 4 - 3 / 3 - 5 - 2 experiment with Torres ( Left ), Mings Centre and Konsa RCB. With the likes of Digne/Maatsen higher up the pitch as true RWBs /Wingers. I think we would get the best of everyone's and the teams attributes this way. Kosta has the size and physical attributes to eventually become a good solid one who can do both the attacking and defending equally, but still not ready. Edited November 5 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN
TRO Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Yes was going to say, I guess they December them as " modern " fullbacks. I'm still curious to see a 3 - 4 - 3 / 3 - 5 - 2 experiment with Torres ( Left ), Mings Centre and Konsa RCB. With the likes of Digne/Maatsen higher up the pitch as true RWBs /Wingers. I think we would get the best of everyone's and the teams attributes this way. Kosta has the size and physical attributes to eventually become a good solid one who can do both the attacking and defending equally, but still not ready. Shaun I have responded in "Team Shape, Tactics and Personnel" as I was in danger of going off topic. Edited November 5 by TRO
Popular Post Pongo Waring Posted November 17 Popular Post Posted November 17 On 03/11/2024 at 23:59, Zatman said: I still stand by opinion he is better than Digne and Maatsen Nope 5
Stevo985 Posted November 18 VT Supporter Posted November 18 Honestly it's a bit of a joke to suggest Moreno is better than Digne The underrating of Digne, presumably because he gets paid a lot, is quite amusing. 2
jimmygreaves Posted November 18 Posted November 18 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: The underrating of Digne, presumably because he gets paid a lot, is quite amusing. He gets paid a lot and for a long period was absolute garbage. Playing much better now though. 1
Tomaszk Posted November 18 Posted November 18 4 hours ago, Stevo985 said: The underrating of Digne, presumably because he gets paid a lot, is quite amusing. Mmm, it's more based on performances since he's been here I'd say. Not saying he's brilliant regardless, then celebrating being right all along when he has a good game. There's some ferocious overrating but I don't know why. This season people have said he has the best first touch in the team among other strange things. Emery immediately replaced him when he joined, bizarrely tried to sign another 30 year old to replace him again the next window, and tried to move him on again this summer. The reluctance with Maatsen is very interesting. It's actually great for everyone he's around the France team. He might actually agree to a move away if he thinks he can get into the World Cup squad. If we try to sell him again, there's much more a chance it could happen.
Stevo985 Posted November 18 VT Supporter Posted November 18 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: Mmm, it's more based on performances since he's been here I'd say. Not saying he's brilliant regardless, then celebrating being right all along when he has a good game. There's some ferocious overrating but I don't know why. This season people have said he has the best first touch in the team among other strange things. Emery immediately replaced him when he joined, bizarrely tried to sign another 30 year old to replace him again the next window, and tried to move him on again this summer. The reluctance with Maatsen is very interesting. It's actually great for everyone he's around the France team. He might actually agree to a move away if he thinks he can get into the World Cup squad. If we try to sell him again, there's much more a chance it could happen. He’s a good player for us. Had a bad patch but he’s consistently good. But because he gets paid a lot people seem determined to say he’s shit He’s not. And he’s **** miles better than Moreno to be honest 4
Popular Post Risso Posted November 18 Popular Post Posted November 18 32 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He’s a good player for us. Had a bad patch but he’s consistently good. But because he gets paid a lot people seem determined to say he’s shit He’s not. And he’s **** miles better than Moreno to be honest He's an excellent player, one of our best and most consistent. As well as his wages, I also think there's an element of him being signed by Gerrard that people don't like. 4 1
Tomaszk Posted November 18 Posted November 18 26 minutes ago, Risso said: He's an excellent player, one of our best and most consistent. As well as his wages, I also think there's an element of him being signed by Gerrard that people don't like. And he's French. Down with the French! 1
VillaChris Posted November 18 Posted November 18 How many games was Moreno actually available for last season, 15 at best? We could've really done with him as an option from the April period onwards but he just wasn't around bar a cameo at Arsenal IIRC. Not trying to criticise him too much as all players are different but let's remember Tielemans put his body on the line for us v Liverpool for an hour and we had plenty of other players playing through knocks in the final weeks to get us over the line. Just had so many injuries last season so being over 30 he was always going to be moved on and Forest all round looks a decent move. The plan actually was to sell Digne to Saudi land, have Moreno as first choice and sign Marcos Acuna from Sevilla as backup so thankfully we didn't do that as Acuna also had endless injuries at Sevilla last season and now back playing in Argentina.
Tom13 Posted November 18 Posted November 18 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He’s a good player for us. Had a bad patch but he’s consistently good. But because he gets paid a lot people seem determined to say he’s shit He’s not. And he’s **** miles better than Moreno to be honest How is he miles better than Moreno?
PaulC Posted November 18 Posted November 18 8 hours ago, jimmygreaves said: He gets paid a lot and for a long period was absolute garbage. Playing much better now though. Been good for the last two seasons
PaulC Posted November 18 Posted November 18 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: How is he miles better than Moreno? Better defender certainly
Stevo985 Posted November 18 VT Supporter Posted November 18 35 minutes ago, Tom13 said: How is he miles better than Moreno? He’s better in basically every way
Tom13 Posted November 18 Posted November 18 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He’s better in basically every way Really? Getting past a man in tight spaces and getting to the byline, then also producing an accurate cutback? Big part of a modern day fullback's game. Edited November 18 by Tom13
Zatman Posted November 19 Posted November 19 10 hours ago, VillaChris said: How many games was Moreno actually available for last season, 15 at best? We could've really done with him as an option from the April period onwards but he just wasn't around bar a cameo at Arsenal IIRC. Not trying to criticise him too much as all players are different but let's remember Tielemans put his body on the line for us v Liverpool for an hour and we had plenty of other players playing through knocks in the final weeks to get us over the line. Drifting off topic but it's like you dont remember how Moreno got injured initially was by putting his body on the line vs Liverpool to help us get Europe
Pinebro Posted November 19 Posted November 19 Couldn't give a toss what a player does for his national team. It's completely irrelevant for Villa. 1
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