PieFacE Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, messi11 said: Dont think he's the best player at PSG never mind the world That's fair enough, agree to disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I think Mbappe will be one of the top 3-5 players in the world for most of his 20s, but if his pace starts to go and he picks up the odd injury, he might drop off a bit, as what makes him so dangerous is his ability to do all the basics at insane speed. He’s not at the same technical level as Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, etc. but still an amazing player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, KentVillan said: I think Mbappe will be one of the top 3-5 players in the world for most of his 20s, but if his pace starts to go and he picks up the odd injury, he might drop off a bit, as what makes him so dangerous is his ability to do all the basics at insane speed. He’s not at the same technical level as Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, etc. but still an amazing player. I agree with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Wikipedia so might not be fully accurate but is a rough number. It has him down for around 250 goals at the moment, Haaland around 200 but is about a year younger Ronaldo at 23 had around 130 goals and Messi had about 150 goals though Ronaldo and Messi hit the incredible goalscoring feats from about 23-33 Both Ronaldo and Messi did it in better leagues. Ligue 1 is good, but not as good as the Premier League or Primera Division. He’s hiding at PSG. I think he could do it tbh, like Haaland is doing. But he chose money over challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 5 hours ago, AXD said: Both Ronaldo and Messi did it in better leagues. Ligue 1 is good, but not as good as the Premier League or Primera Division. He’s hiding at PSG. I think he could do it tbh, like Haaland is doing. But he chose money over challenge. It's hard to predict the future. Too many variables but at the moment it looks like he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 7 hours ago, AXD said: Both Ronaldo and Messi did it in better leagues. Ligue 1 is good, but not as good as the Premier League or Primera Division. He’s hiding at PSG. I think he could do it tbh, like Haaland is doing. But he chose money over challenge. i think thats his one detracting point currently. he is clearly a very talented player, possibly/probably a world class one, but imo you cant really make that claim unless your have "done it" consistently in the PL or La Liga, or to a lesser degree Italy. tbh the only 2 leagues where if you succeed, you have a right to claim you are "elite" is the PL or La Liga. thats not detracting from the talent he clearly has, im sure he would succeed in either the PL or La Liga, but you defo cant go through your entire career in Ligue 1 and believe you have any claim to be on the Ronaldo or Messi level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 12 hours ago, messi11 said: His goalscoring record is insane for a 23 year old. Can/Will he surpass Platini, Zidane and Henry has the greatest French of all time? Zidane was the complete package that can never be surpassed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, MaVilla said: i think thats his one detracting point currently. he is clearly a very talented player, possibly/probably a world class one, but imo you cant really make that claim unless your have "done it" consistently in the PL or La Liga, or to a lesser degree Italy. tbh the only 2 leagues where if you succeed, you have a right to claim you are "elite" is the PL or La Liga. thats not detracting from the talent he clearly has, im sure he would succeed in either the PL or La Liga, but you defo cant go through your entire career in Ligue 1 and believe you have any claim to be on the Ronaldo or Messi level. I don’t think it’s as clearcut as that re which league you play in, as the Champions League is the big leveller. Mbappe hasn’t yet won it, but he’s come pretty close a couple of times and has a World Cup to his name. The whole winning the league at different clubs in different countries thing is overstated (mainly by obsessive Cristiano Ronaldo fans) and personally I think there’s different ways of being great that aren’t always reflected in stats and honours. Totti was a genuine great, for example, and only had one league title to his name and no European honours. Nowadays I don’t think playing at PSG is much different from playing at Bayern. Dominant in the league, but you’re expected to challenge for the Champions League every single season. Edited December 6, 2022 by KentVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 17 hours ago, KentVillan said: I think Mbappe will be one of the top 3-5 players in the world for most of his 20s, but if his pace starts to go and he picks up the odd injury, he might drop off a bit, as what makes him so dangerous is his ability to do all the basics at insane speed. He’s not at the same technical level as Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, etc. but still an amazing player. He's a poor mans Agbonlahor 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 17 hours ago, KentVillan said: I think Mbappe will be one of the top 3-5 players in the world for most of his 20s, but if his pace starts to go and he picks up the odd injury, he might drop off a bit, as what makes him so dangerous is his ability to do all the basics at insane speed. He’s not at the same technical level as Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, etc. but still an amazing player. I think this is fair, but those goals he scored against Poland (in particular the second) are all about technique. Just a feeling that he was missing neither, as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 17 hours ago, AXD said: Both Ronaldo and Messi did it in better leagues. Ligue 1 is good, but not as good as the Premier League or Primera Division. He’s hiding at PSG. I think he could do it tbh, like Haaland is doing. But he chose money over challenge. Both Haaland and Lewandowski scored less goals in Bundesliga than they do in La Liga and Premier League. I'm confident if you stick Mbappe in a Real or Man City shirt he will be just as, if not more, effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2022 18 hours ago, messi11 said: I agree with this! One of you change your avatar please. Thanks (Hanks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, HKP90 said: One of you change your avatar please. Thanks (Hanks). There is a story here, but yes I originally had the one @messi11now uses, and then changed it due to being accidentally exposed as an ITK on a famous transfer, at which point we did a Three Amigos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, KentVillan said: There is a story here, but yes I originally had the one @messi11now uses, and then changed it due to being accidentally exposed as an ITK on a famous transfer, at which point we did a Three Amigos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, KentVillan said: There is a story here, but yes I originally had the one @messi11now uses, and then changed it due to being accidentally exposed as an ITK on a famous transfer, at which point we did a Three Amigos Which one of you is ITK then? Asking for a friend, and definitely not keeping notes to refer to when the January window opens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, HKP90 said: Which one of you is ITK then? Asking for a friend, and definitely not keeping notes to refer to when the January window opens It was me, my source has moved on unfortunately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 All hype, no substance. When it matters Giroud steps up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) Very ordinary tonight, would rather have Adama Traore, but scared the shit out of Southgate which helped his team. I've only seen him a couple of times, all I'll say is that Gabby in this era would be far more highly rated than he ever was! Edited December 10, 2022 by AndyClarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 He's not that good... Some dodgy dives were his highlight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: He's not that good... Some dodgy dives were his highlight. Lol. He’s f****** brilliant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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