Are we a Dirty Team?

[BOF]

4 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said:

I mean a goalkeeper getting 3 yellow cards by this time is already a lot. No other pl keeper has accrued more than 3 yellow cards this season so far in comparison.

That said, from what I can find he’s actually on 2 yellows not 3.

Yep, it is only 2 and they were his most recent 2 so I think the reputation is a little undeserved. But he is definitely a shithouse  

[Laughable Chimp]

I don’t care about being a dirty team. Will be a bit annoying though seeing other fans use it to criticize us though.

[BOF]

Just now, Laughable Chimp said:

I don’t care about being a dirty team. Will be a bit annoying though seeing other fans use it to criticize us though.

I'm the opposite. I think it's great if they do, because it'll mean it's working. We're pissing them off. We're probably taking points off them in the process. Bring it on.

[Marka Ragnos]

100% yes, we're dirty AF, but it's 80% a function of poor coaching and tactical frustrations and failures. Something that will need to be unlearned but will take time—and it's inevitable under Unai, I believe. Being "dirty" gets the "hard men" all excited, but it's obviously, in the end, a reflection of failure not success. It WILL change.

[AntrimBlack]

3 hours ago, Teale's 'tache said:

Just thought I'd have a look and there are some interesting stats out there. Keep in mind that 7 Yellows in one game has skewed things considerably.

We've committed 179 fouls and been fouled 180 times, we've received 37 Yellows and 1 Red (which was rescinded, but is still being shown in stats everywhere I look) , yet only 26 Yellows and 1 Red for our opposition... I appreciate that it depends upon each individual foul, but 11 yellows difference is quite a lot. The 180 fouls against us makes us the second most fouled team in the league, yet the 26 Yellows against us is about average.

Also Leeds have committed the same amount of fouls as us and yet only and received 29 Yellows and 2 Reds, again a difference of 8 Yellows for the same amount of fouls seems a bit much.

 

			Performance													Aerial Duels
Squad	# Pl	90s	CrdY	CrdR	2CrdY	Fls ▼	Fld	Off	Crs	Int	TklW	PKwon	PKcon	OG	Recov	Won	Lost	Won%
Aston Villa	23	15.0	37	1	0	179	180	31	252	142	149	2	3	3	763	204	213	48.9
Leeds United	24	14.0	29	2	2	179	139	19	243	145	185	1	1	1	809	206	200	50.7
Nott'ham Forest	25	15.0	36	0	0	170	157	23	222	126	150	1	5	0	714	214	196	52.2
Crystal Palace	20	14.0	32	0	0	169	187	18	177	114	148	1	0	1	757	176	172	50.6
Newcastle Utd	24	15.0	24	0	0	164	147	34	288	134	147	0	1	0	822	204	167	55.0
Manchester Utd	22	14.0	37	0	0	161	100	33	190	129	130	1	1	0	746	188	169	52.7
Wolves	26	15.0	29	3	0	159	153	24	272	112	143	0	2	1	787	170	185	47.9
Bournemouth	25	15.0	24	0	0	158	159	12	186	109	156	0	5	2	728	196	217	47.5
Southampton	26	15.0	24	0	0	154	139	18	283	158	164	0	0	1	861	211	254	45.4
Brighton	21	14.0	19	0	0	154	137	23	269	132	138	3	4	3	725	167	169	49.7
Tottenham	21	15.0	26	1	0	149	119	25	316	142	127	2	1	0	758	183	180	50.4
Leicester City	22	15.0	19	0	0	149	150	22	191	146	159	2	1	1	773	184	222	45.3
Fulham	27	15.0	36	1	0	145	133	22	290	108	138	4	3	0	741	226	212	51.6
Chelsea	24	14.0	34	2	2	144	160	27	236	130	149	2	0	2	760	191	183	51.1
Everton	26	15.0	33	0	0	142	145	27	239	145	175	0	2	0	774	186	228	44.9
Arsenal	23	14.0	23	0	0	139	155	19	230	108	128	1	2	1	737	154	190	44.8
West Ham	23	15.0	19	0	0	137	116	25	310	154	126	2	3	1	775	218	192	53.2
Brentford	24	15.0	21	0	0	129	161	26	254	138	132	3	1	2	734	243	214	53.2
Liverpool	24	14.0	12	1	0	121	116	29	326	123	126	0	3	0	833	180	189	48.8
Manchester City	21	14.0	11	1	0	108	116	21	307	91	102	3	2	1	699	187	136	57.9

 

Opposition stats

			Performance													Aerial Duels
Squad	# Pl	90s	CrdY	CrdR	2CrdY	Fls ▼	Fld	Off	Crs	Int	TklW	PKwon	PKcon	OG	Recov	Won	Lost	Won%
vs Crystal Palace	20	14.0	27	1	0	194	162	29	263	135	180	0	2	1	789	172	176	49.4
vs Aston Villa	23	15.0	26	1	1	186	172	20	234	126	134	0	2	0	780	213	204	51.1
vs Brentford	24	15.0	24	1	0	169	121	22	284	117	151	1	4	0	775	214	243	46.8
vs Nott'ham Forest	25	15.0	27	0	0	168	157	27	323	121	121	2	2	1	775	196	214	47.8
vs Wolves	26	15.0	28	0	0	165	153	15	270	125	162	2	2	0	763	185	170	52.1
vs Chelsea	24	14.0	21	0	0	163	137	16	245	142	157	0	2	0	734	183	191	48.9
vs Bournemouth	25	15.0	22	0	0	162	149	27	399	102	165	2	0	0	818	217	196	52.5
vs Arsenal	23	14.0	27	1	0	160	130	38	195	116	143	1	1	1	660	190	154	55.2
vs Leicester City	22	15.0	25	1	1	157	141	30	271	143	136	1	2	2	806	222	184	54.7
vs Newcastle Utd	24	15.0	30	1	0	155	157	31	244	136	161	0	2	1	768	167	204	45.0
vs Everton	26	15.0	30	0	0	155	138	18	329	112	146	2	0	1	804	228	186	55.1
vs Leeds United	24	14.0	24	1	1	147	173	26	231	164	149	1	2	1	830	200	206	49.3
vs Brighton	21	14.0	34	1	0	146	149	20	182	148	123	3	3	3	707	169	167	50.3
vs Southampton	26	15.0	27	0	0	145	146	22	270	123	172	0	0	0	869	254	211	54.6
vs Fulham	27	15.0	21	2	0	137	140	45	249	115	117	3	5	2	780	212	226	48.4
vs Tottenham	21	15.0	33	1	1	129	145	18	249	118	157	1	3	2	772	180	183	49.6
vs West Ham	23	15.0	30	0	0	122	131	15	259	117	131	3	4	0	791	192	218	46.8
vs Manchester City	21	14.0	30	1	0	122	105	25	127	115	107	2	3	1	586	136	187	42.1
vs Liverpool	24	14.0	22	0	0	122	108	22	195	152	158	3	0	2	760	189	180	51.2
vs Manchester Utd	22	14.0	17	0	0	106	155	12	262	159	102	1	1	2	729	169	188	47.3

 

These are from fbref.com for those wondering.

What I read from these stats is that we are combative, our games contain plenty of fouls, but we are also being punished more for our fouls than most other teams.

 

 

I knew it.

[Hank Scorpio]

Don't care. Win, by any means necessary. All the other teams do. Where has being a nice team got us.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Pissflaps

[Pinebro]

We area  dirty team.

That's a good thing btw.

[birdman]

We have been far too soft until recently. Because clubs in our position don't tend to get the rub of the green from officials compared to the top 4 clubs you have to fight tooth and nail for points. Thats not the only reason of course but it doesnt help. Brighton was probably a bit OTT in terms of time wasting etc but the hope is eventually we won't have to resort to that when we are able to dominate most games.

[Tricky_Vale]

5 hours ago, messi11 said:

Depends on the weather

This is a kink I didn't even know existed... I guess you can find anything on the internet

[Made In Aston]

People were complaining that we were too nice under dean Smith. When we finally start to do some shithousery we get criticised. All the top teams do it and we should be no different. I'm not ashamed to say that I look forward to our 10 yellows against Liverpool if it means winning. 

[Adman]

3 hours ago, AntrimBlack said:

I knew it.

Or we just booked loads for timewasting

[Annoyman]

I think it varies a bit from player, some personal observations below:

Buendia - Feisty, bit niggly but not dirty, notably tries hard to play on when being fouled. Bailey mostly lives here too I guess

Coutinho: serene, graceful, vague air of sadness, possibly confused?

Ings, Digne, Cash, McGinn, Ramsey - committed, prone to the occasional tactical foul, timewasting routine, rush of blood to the head or failed recovery challenge after being caught out

Watkins - hardly a scoundrel but tempted by the odd dive, perhaps as perceived in his innocence as restorative justice for rough treatment at the hands of thuggish centrebacks; nothing you'd stop him dating your daughter over

Luiz: hmmmmmmmmm

Mings - likes a grapple, occasionally prone to obliterating another player's skull

Young, Martinez - Satan

Edited November 14, 2022 by Annoyman

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

Thread makes me wonder:

" Are we a bored, board? "

Edited November 14, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[May-Z]

10 hours ago, messi11 said:

Depends on the weather

The bots that create the 'horny milfs in your area' ads are getting weird. 

[DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth]

We are the shithouses of the Premier League, only have to read opposition forums to see that. I’m not sure we are clobbers as others have said though.

[messi11]

We've had joint most yellow cards in the PL this season
We are 2nd bottom of the fair play league 

 

[FLVillan]

I seem to vaguely recall that Arsenal were prone to poor disciplinary record in the past.  Was that under Unai?

[Zatman]

4 hours ago, FLVillan said:

I seem to vaguely recall that Arsenal were prone to poor disciplinary record in the past.  Was that under Unai?

Wenger

[MrBlack]

11 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Thread makes me wonder:

" Are we a bored, board? "

When the results are so good we have to look for something else to moan/debate about. It's the VT way.

[MentalM]

tbh 6 of the yellows came in the last 15 minutes vs Brighton.

Not one of them were wrong. Wouldnt call it dirty, but its cynical and shithousery. I dont mind doing this for a bit, but a bit more actual playing time would be nice in our games...