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What class do you consider yourself to be?


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What class do you consider yourself to be  

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  1. 1. What class do you consider yourself to be

    • Middle Class
      26
    • Working Class
      37
    • I don't see myself as within a particular class
      27
    • Upper-Middle and Upper class
      14


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And the Welsh Scottish and English are all the same race Ian ;). Although I agree, in a way.

I'm just unsure why it has any bearing on class. It may define your class (stereotype ahoy but black people are more likely to be working class IIRC) but by saying 'I'm working class' I doubt it matters whether you're white, black, or a discerning shade of grey, at the end of the day you're still working class.

Perhaps it doesn't, but it (race) has certainly played a big part in my heritage so I am therefore keen to acknowledge it.

Not sure I get that either but hey ho.

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And the Welsh Scottish and English are all the same race Ian ;). Although I agree, in a way.

I'm just unsure why it has any bearing on class. It may define your class (stereotype ahoy but black people are more likely to be working class IIRC) but by saying 'I'm working class' I doubt it matters whether you're white, black, or a discerning shade of grey, at the end of the day you're still working class.

Perhaps it doesn't, but it (race) has certainly played a big part in my heritage so I am therefore keen to acknowledge it.

Not sure I get that either but hey ho.

From my standpoint, it doesn't matter if you don't understand because at the end of the day, I like to acknowledge every part of my heritage. I don't leave little bits out, it's easier to say it in one go. You happen to think that it is not needed, and that is fine as it's your opinion, but I like to be fully aware of every part of my family history possible, so lets just agree to disagree.

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sorry chindie I missed the white bit of AC's orgibal post

he is right though there is a difference between Asian working class and white working class, another deate bt it is fair for me to add race and nationality to it

I bet a black english working class person thinks differently to AC

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I think in 20 years time the term will be obsolete.
I bet they thought that in the 60s as well when the hippies were reshaping the world.

It's also not a particularly useful term.
Most useful - without them, how would we know who to burn come the revolution.
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i thought there was no such thing as upper-class and there was only upper middle-class

any way i am not ashamed to say i am upper-class if it exists and upper middle if it doesnt.

i have never looked down on anyone because of the class they are in and dont expect anyone to look down on me because of the class i am in(although it does happen from time to time)

obviously in school and other areas of my life, i have met many snobby upper-class people and i think its a horrible attributebut you get the equivalent from the working class

Since moving to dublin for university(ucd not trinity) i have no higher percentage of friends in any category

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Thought class was something that they used in the days of the Empire to determine whether you were canon fodder or an officer

Not really relevant in this day and age

A Plumber is a C2 in the occupation groupings we use in our industry ..and yet a plumber can earn very good money thee days and have a nice house , nice car , nice holidays etc .. whether he would be accepted in the country club is another matter

I was concerned with the private school I looked at for my children as I thought it would be a bit elitish and that my children wouldn't be accepted seeing as I don't talk with a plumb in my mouth and have a double barrelled surname... but it would seem that cash is king nowadays and they don't care where the money comes so class is dead in many regards

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I think in 20 years time the term will be obsolete.

It's also not a particularly useful term.

will they ?

I agree they are not useful but lets be honest...a professional say on £40k or more a year has different life views and aspirations to those on £20k a year.

whether it is wokring class vs middle class there are clear and not so clear divisions there

Not sure about that at all, Ian

Mark Steel got it pretty spot on. Extract below.

To have any meaning, class must be about whether we have any control over how matters are organised in society. If you're Rupert Murdoch or on the board of a major bank you probably have. But if you work in Ikea or a call centre, or for Legal & General or you're a salesman or an air hostess, it doesn't matter that you're not covered in soot, you're probably working class.

You could try ringing the Prime Minister and seeing if he'll redraw half his policies according to your wishes, or fancies a holiday in one of your villas, and if he accepts then the 89 per cent are obviously wrong.

In other words, the amount you earn, 20K or 40K is not a defining factor, really, anymore.

I'm well paid, nowe, but haven't always been, and I can't say that my aspirations have really changed at all, other than the one that used to be " I wouldn't mind earning enough money so I'm not skint half the time" which has I supposed changed to " I would quite like to keep earning enough money so I'm comfortably off"

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I was concerned with the private school I looked at for my children as I thought it would be a bit elitish and that my children wouldn't be accepted seeing as I don't talk with a plumb in my mouth and have a double barrelled surname...

A fair concern Tony, and by extension I don't think that you would wish your children to adopt any sort of snobbery themselves, but as someone who went to a private school I think it's fair to say that those types are easily avoided at all but the poshest of boarding schools. The friends that I made are generally some of the most down to earth people I know, and are in the majority.

In answer to the thread it would be middle class. My parents are from pretty humble backgrounds but both managed to do well enough for themselves to afford me the comfortable lifestyle that I enjoyed growing up.

Class is not entirely dead though, and I would agree with Paddy that other than the absolute silver spoon dickheads, snobbery has almost become an issue of inverted significance.

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Well it's not really about money, is it? That Harry Enfield "Considerably richer than YOW" Brummie is a caricature but has a grain of truth.

I'm from a class that seemed to spring into being after WWII due to the state grammar schools and university grants - the educated working class. My parents were unarguably WC - no qualifications, unskilled, no bank account, no car, never been abroad, lived in on a high-rise council estate. That's the world I grew up in, but access to education (grammar school and university) made my life (and that of my kids) very different.

My wife's background was very similar - in fact I seem to have unconsciously gravitated toward people with that background as friends as well. We're actually pretty broke, but we do have a nice house in a leafy suburb. We're - I suppose - "intellectual", Labour-voting, Guardianista types (in a sea of Tory and LibDem voters around here).

I put myself down as middle class in this poll, but do I feel it? Not really. When you get down to the whole "golf club mentality" that prevails in this area, I feel like a working-class Brummie.

So I dunno.

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I think I am a working class. Although having an above average salary at still a reasonably youngish age (27), so does my wife, 1 kid now and if we both continue to work we would be fine and hopefully wecould get our 1st property on a mortgage by year end or beginning of next year. (and thats after years of savings and getting my own deposits) But if one of us get the sack, things will get tight at home. and pocket money to both parties' parents (one retired and dad semi retired) will need to cut short. and whoever gets the sack will need to find a new job quick before things turn more difficult.

I think for someone to be in the mid - upper class they will need to have a weathy backer, ie. mum and dad. The one who could ask dad to lend a few grand for getting a deposits on their first property, the one who may get fired tomorrow at work, but their parents will tell them to come and stay at their 3-4 bedrooms house for a while and take your time to find a right job, or even daddy asking friends if they may have job offers for their son/daughter. The one who could ask mum to buy her wedding dress etc.

Just my classifications though.

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